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brush

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18. All well and good but he called himself a socialist for decades but in more recent years...
Wed Feb 19, 2020, 04:34 PM
Feb 2020

he's added the word "democratic" in front of it to soften the negativity of it as he became interested in using the Democratic Party to run for president. But video and ample other evidence is out there of him touting socialism. He should've said years ago he was a "social democrat" in the Nordic model if that is really what he meant but he's stuck with the baggage-laden, self-appellation of "democratic socialist" when the social democracies of Europe are actually capitalist countries, not democratic socialist countries.

Labeling himself a democratic socialist was a mistake not just because there actually is a Democratic Socialist Party in the US which actively advocates actual socialism, historically there's never been a sustained, successful deployment of pure socialism in any country, and the repugs will run ads 24/7 showing videos of him actually saying "I am a socialist".

And as I've said, the social democracies of Europe are actually highly regulated and highly taxed capitalist countries with strong, robust safety nets provided for by the high taxes—single payer healthcare, free college, etc.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Or one who advocated for socialism. brush Feb 2020 #1
advocates* (present-tense) CalFione Feb 2020 #2
Yes. I stand corrected. brush Feb 2020 #13
Um..."advocates" brooklynite Feb 2020 #3
Yes. brush Feb 2020 #14
You're referring, of course, to Bernie. But you're Eyeball_Kid Feb 2020 #9
All well and good but he called himself a socialist for decades but in more recent years... brush Feb 2020 #18
Sanders has said similar, he phrased it as "adjustments" to Social Security. George II Feb 2020 #4
Adjustment and cuts are two entirely different animals but you know that, Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #5
no Deero Feb 2020 #6
Yes, try the dictionary Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #10
Just as freezes and cuts are two entirely different animals "but you know that... George II Feb 2020 #7
A freeze is De Facto a cut unless someone can freeze inflation. Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #12
Just as an "adjustment" is a cut. It works both ways, you know. George II Feb 2020 #15
A freeze is not both ways nor is a cut. Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #16
Pot calling Kettle black onetexan Feb 2020 #22
Both of those things are moderate proposals supported by actuarial evidence. apcalc Feb 2020 #8
Life expectancy has been dropping in the U.S. because of our profit over health care system. Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #17
Maybe because of that. I have read opioid deaths , maternal and infant mortality are the reason apcalc Feb 2020 #20
Funny you should say that. We have a candidate you seem to endorse whose life expectancy onetexan Feb 2020 #23
Where are you getting that "stat" that Eyeball_Kid Feb 2020 #19
That reflects the gradual acceptance of what Reagan et al apcalc Feb 2020 #21
I disagree. The usual policies won't matter at all. unitedwethrive Feb 2020 #11
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