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In reply to the discussion: Splitting hairs over "social democracy" versus "democratic socialism". [View all]NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)7. If his campaign still needs to keep explaining this at such a late date... he's going to lose.
There's just no two way about it. If you're explaining... you're losing.
Nobody likes a Socialist, no matter how much lipstick is used... no matter how pretty the bow.
He has only himself to blame. Why shouldn't we take him at his word? Isn't that at trait that his supporters often boast about... that he is who he is and he never changes (or some such)?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/bernie-sanders-campaigned-for-marxist-party-in-reagan-era
The 2020 Democratic presidential primary candidate and United States senator from Vermont, now 77, often scoffs at comparisons between his brand of self-described "democratic socialism" and communism. In recent years, he has said he is merely interested in having the United States look more like Sweden, a social democracy with a broad welfare state but a well-functioning private sector.
But his personal files from his time as mayor of Burlington, from 1981 to 1989, archived at the University of Vermont, show that he supported and campaigned for the communist SWP and maintained a close relationship with its senior members. While Democrats campaigned for President Jimmy Carter in 1980 and Walter Mondale in 1984, Sanders spent the Reagan era supporting fringe Marxists with no chance of reaching the White House.
In 1980, Sanders "proudly endorsed and supported" Andrew Pulley, the party's presidential candidate, who once said that American soldiers should "take up their guns and shoot their officers." Sanders was one of three electors for Pulley on the Vermont ballot, stating in a press release: "I fully support the SWP's continued defense of the Cuban revolution."
Four years later, he backed and campaigned for the SWP presidential nominee Mel Mason, a former Black Panther, saying it was important for there to be "fundamental alternatives to capitalist ideology." During the campaign, Mason praised the Russian and Chinese revolutions and said: "The greatest example of a socialist government is Cuba, and Nicaragua is right behind, but it's still developing."
But his personal files from his time as mayor of Burlington, from 1981 to 1989, archived at the University of Vermont, show that he supported and campaigned for the communist SWP and maintained a close relationship with its senior members. While Democrats campaigned for President Jimmy Carter in 1980 and Walter Mondale in 1984, Sanders spent the Reagan era supporting fringe Marxists with no chance of reaching the White House.
In 1980, Sanders "proudly endorsed and supported" Andrew Pulley, the party's presidential candidate, who once said that American soldiers should "take up their guns and shoot their officers." Sanders was one of three electors for Pulley on the Vermont ballot, stating in a press release: "I fully support the SWP's continued defense of the Cuban revolution."
Four years later, he backed and campaigned for the SWP presidential nominee Mel Mason, a former Black Panther, saying it was important for there to be "fundamental alternatives to capitalist ideology." During the campaign, Mason praised the Russian and Chinese revolutions and said: "The greatest example of a socialist government is Cuba, and Nicaragua is right behind, but it's still developing."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Splitting hairs over "social democracy" versus "democratic socialism". [View all]
DanTex
Feb 2020
OP
bernie calls himself a democratic socialist. not a technical definition, right outta his mouth....
msongs
Feb 2020
#2
Not in the US. We have an actual Democratic Socialist party here and they espouse socialism
pnwmom
Feb 2020
#27
Technically, Bernie is a Democratic Socialist, not a Social Democrat. He can point to the
pnwmom
Feb 2020
#5
If his campaign still needs to keep explaining this at such a late date... he's going to lose.
NurseJackie
Feb 2020
#7
I don't care if Bernie calls himself a ham sandwich, it's the policies that matter.
Uncle Joe
Feb 2020
#13
calling yourself a "socialist" in the USA immediately puts you outside the mainstream
DBoon
Feb 2020
#18
It was the Clinton administration that really started the conversation on Climate Change.
ehrnst
Feb 2020
#56
I would like to hear Bernie's policies that DIRECTLY help Americans gain more prosperity
andym
Feb 2020
#20
The terms obviously do matter, else no one would be lecturing so vociferously that they don't.
LanternWaste
Feb 2020
#26
"his personal files from his time as mayor show he supported and campaigned for the communist SWP"
NurseJackie
Feb 2020
#33
It's like when people insist we have a republic and not a democracy. What we have is defined by
brewens
Feb 2020
#32
Fortunately there isn't any supporting evidence that he's a Socialist, like, say...
brooklynite
Feb 2020
#41
Right, he isn't documented supporting or admiring socialist governments, but then again....
George II
Feb 2020
#48
Sanders first run for Senate and Governor in the 70s for the Liberty Union Party.
ahoysrcsm
Feb 2020
#49