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NurseJackie

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7. If his campaign still needs to keep explaining this at such a late date... he's going to lose.
Thu Feb 20, 2020, 01:21 PM
Feb 2020

There's just no two way about it. If you're explaining... you're losing.

Nobody likes a Socialist, no matter how much lipstick is used... no matter how pretty the bow.

He has only himself to blame. Why shouldn't we take him at his word? Isn't that at trait that his supporters often boast about... that he is who he is and he never changes (or some such)?





https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/bernie-sanders-campaigned-for-marxist-party-in-reagan-era

The 2020 Democratic presidential primary candidate and United States senator from Vermont, now 77, often scoffs at comparisons between his brand of self-described "democratic socialism" and communism. In recent years, he has said he is merely interested in having the United States look more like Sweden, a social democracy with a broad welfare state but a well-functioning private sector.

But his personal files from his time as mayor of Burlington, from 1981 to 1989, archived at the University of Vermont, show that he supported and campaigned for the communist SWP and maintained a close relationship with its senior members. While Democrats campaigned for President Jimmy Carter in 1980 and Walter Mondale in 1984, Sanders spent the Reagan era supporting fringe Marxists with no chance of reaching the White House.

In 1980, Sanders "proudly endorsed and supported" Andrew Pulley, the party's presidential candidate, who once said that American soldiers should "take up their guns and shoot their officers." Sanders was one of three electors for Pulley on the Vermont ballot, stating in a press release: "I fully support the SWP's continued defense of the Cuban revolution."

Four years later, he backed and campaigned for the SWP presidential nominee Mel Mason, a former Black Panther, saying it was important for there to be "fundamental alternatives to capitalist ideology." During the campaign, Mason praised the Russian and Chinese revolutions and said: "The greatest example of a socialist government is Cuba, and Nicaragua is right behind, but it's still developing."


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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It's not splitting hairs. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #1
In a technical sense, but it doesn't matter. See this post: DanTex Feb 2020 #3
Social Democrats are capitalists. Democratic Socialists are socialists. pnwmom Feb 2020 #6
You're playing word games instead of looking at policies. That's my whole point. DanTex Feb 2020 #8
BERNIE insists on this BRAND. And if he becomes our nominee it will become pnwmom Feb 2020 #25
No.. she's being accurate with the definitions. Cha Feb 2020 #44
bernie calls himself a democratic socialist. not a technical definition, right outta his mouth.... msongs Feb 2020 #2
As does the French Socialist Party. Who cares? DanTex Feb 2020 #4
We're not in France. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #9
Umm, it's an example of how the term is used... DanTex Feb 2020 #10
If you're still explaining and justifying... you're losing. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #11
Except he's ahead in all the polls... DanTex Feb 2020 #15
He'll never be elected. It's as simple as that. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #16
Yes, he will! Cornus Feb 2020 #37
As Senator from Vermont... but that's it. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #38
Not in the US. We have an actual Democratic Socialist party here and they espouse socialism pnwmom Feb 2020 #27
How about the Republican Guard .... it's all the same, right? NurseJackie Feb 2020 #31
LOL. pnwmom Feb 2020 #42
How did we get to France? Cha Feb 2020 #45
Deflection. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #52
Majorly.. imv.. something's amiss Cha Feb 2020 #54
Technically, Bernie is a Democratic Socialist, not a Social Democrat. He can point to the pnwmom Feb 2020 #5
If his campaign still needs to keep explaining this at such a late date... he's going to lose. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #7
Seems to be going pretty well for him so far... DanTex Feb 2020 #12
Yet here you are... still explaining on his behalf. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #14
By "worse" do you mean he will keep rising even more in the polls? DanTex Feb 2020 #17
He'll never be elected. It's as simple as that. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #19
If his middle name was "Hussein", you might have a point... DanTex Feb 2020 #22
What you are saying... Cornus Feb 2020 #39
... NurseJackie Feb 2020 #40
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2020 #50
I don't care if Bernie calls himself a ham sandwich, it's the policies that matter. Uncle Joe Feb 2020 #13
calling yourself a "socialist" in the USA immediately puts you outside the mainstream DBoon Feb 2020 #18
True enough. You think that has no value? k2qb3 Feb 2020 #35
It was the Clinton administration that really started the conversation on Climate Change. ehrnst Feb 2020 #56
Sure. k2qb3 Feb 2020 #57
I would like to hear Bernie's policies that DIRECTLY help Americans gain more prosperity andym Feb 2020 #20
these terms don't matter when the right controls the narrative... Thomas Hurt Feb 2020 #21
lol stonecutter357 Feb 2020 #23
What Bernie calls himself really does matter. cry baby Feb 2020 #24
The terms obviously do matter, else no one would be lecturing so vociferously that they don't. LanternWaste Feb 2020 #26
Bottom line is the bottom 50% in America at140 Feb 2020 #28
He has praised communist governments and supported marxist candidates Jose Garcia Feb 2020 #29
"his personal files from his time as mayor show he supported and campaigned for the communist SWP" NurseJackie Feb 2020 #33
it would be helpful if more people concentrated on policies .. stopdiggin Feb 2020 #30
It's like when people insist we have a republic and not a democracy. What we have is defined by brewens Feb 2020 #32
Oh, I get it. You get it. We all do here. Mister Ed Feb 2020 #34
Jeez. When universally accepted definitions are inconvenient... SidDithers Feb 2020 #36
Fortunately there isn't any supporting evidence that he's a Socialist, like, say... brooklynite Feb 2020 #41
Right, he isn't documented supporting or admiring socialist governments, but then again.... George II Feb 2020 #48
That's not splitting hairs. They are entirely different things: George II Feb 2020 #43
Thank you. (Why do people think we're stupid?) NurseJackie Feb 2020 #46
Sanders doesn't even appear to understand the difference. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #51
The state has been socializing big capitalists' risk for years. David__77 Feb 2020 #47
Sanders first run for Senate and Governor in the 70s for the Liberty Union Party. ahoysrcsm Feb 2020 #49
It's a popular sport here, splitting hairs. n/t ms liberty Feb 2020 #53
But much less popular than "making shit up"...nt SidDithers Feb 2020 #55
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