Democratic Primaries

Progressive2020

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174. Sanders Won

Fri Feb 21, 2020, 05:12 PM

Feb 2020

Sanders beat Hillary in the Wisconsin and Michigan Primaries in 2016. Trump went on to narrowly win those states over Hillary in the General Election. So, Sanders had more working class support in those Rust Belt states than Hillary. Bernie might have beaten Trump in those states had he been the nominee.

Also, a large part of the 3 Million votes that Hillary had over Trump came from coastal liberal strongholds like California and New York. To win the Presidency, you have to win in the Electoral College, and that includes fly-over states and the Rust Belt/Mid-West.

Bernie has some appeal to these kind of Mid-West working class demographics that Hillary did not. And so, Bernie has a chance to win Wisconsin, Michigan, and other key states. There is a potential path to victory there.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Well, it's not Bloomberg. Turin_C3PO Feb 2020 #1

I'll go with Joe. That works. EveHammond13 Feb 2020 #4

... handmade34 Feb 2020 #27

Joe, of course. tavernier Feb 2020 #142

I agree. GOTV will by HUGE in this election -- especially among POC Martin Eden Feb 2020 #122

+100 nt dware Feb 2020 #2

since you put it in caps it must be true right Blues Heron Feb 2020 #3

Based on what? The voters we need to get back will not vote for a socialist. EveHammond13 Feb 2020 #11

Please provide your analysis, your data that helped you arrive at that conclusion, please help us Perseus Feb 2020 #118

This isn't rocket science. There are polls. Steven Maurer Feb 2020 #139

Any Democrat will be labeled as a socialist, not sure where you got those polls Perseus Feb 2020 #157

You obviously didn't read the link or you wouldn't be asking were I got the poll from... Steven Maurer Feb 2020 #159

Then Bernie should lose the Primary. No worries. jalan48 Feb 2020 #5

Exactly. And I also remember when people were sure America would not vote for a black man. (n/t) thesquanderer Feb 2020 #34

Bernie is no Obama. Obama was inspirational. Bernie is an angry shouter redstateblues Feb 2020 #51

I would pick a different standard for comparison if I were you ... earthside Feb 2020 #119

Possibly, If It's Not Rigged Me. Feb 2020 #54

Yes we've seen that before. jalan48 Feb 2020 #129

Democratic Socialist. Who is leading in all the polls. DanTex Feb 2020 #6

Thanks to GOP interference aeromanKC Feb 2020 #13

And lack of a deep dive-- so far-- into Bernie's baggage. Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2020 #39

This is news to me, any source for that? n/t ramen Feb 2020 #124

Come on... DaDeacon Feb 2020 #138

People won't give you that because we know it's useless Steven Maurer Feb 2020 #144

At least you admit it... DaDeacon Feb 2020 #149

That you're a sociopath? Steven Maurer Feb 2020 #154

saddly no... DaDeacon Feb 2020 #178

You said this of yourself, not me Steven Maurer Feb 2020 #184

Pardon? Seeking a source for an unsupported claim that Sanders' early lead is ramen Feb 2020 #164

yup highmindedhavi Feb 2020 #166

Plenty of people think a socialist would be infinitely better than 45. LonePirate Feb 2020 #7

"plenty" does not win an election handmade34 Feb 2020 #25

"Plenty", as opposed to a majority, won the election for Trump whathehell Feb 2020 #46

"my corner of America" handmade34 Feb 2020 #55

"The United Stated is a big, diverse world"...No kidding -- I've spent 70 whathehell Feb 2020 #66

don't be sorry... handmade34 Feb 2020 #85

What people don't get is that Socialism isn't the big "scare" it whathehell Feb 2020 #101

Vermont here as well and Steve Schmidt is wrong. paleotn Feb 2020 #112

I question whether that's the case in swing states gollygee Feb 2020 #52

Yes, at least trump is not a socialist, he is a maniac who is destroying the country and democracy Perseus Feb 2020 #126

You'd be surprised how many people feel that way nt gollygee Feb 2020 #165

If the disaffected vote for Trump, they will be voting for a Socialist. Trump likes NCjack Feb 2020 #68

I don't think liberals will vote for someone Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #8

Well maybe they should do some god damn research before purporting to know wtf they are UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #20

What exactly are they getting wrong from what I posted? Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #23

They are getting WRONG how socialism is still perceived. This isn't 30 years in the future UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #30

Gen X and younger have more people than Boomers and older Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #40

Yeah we'll get called Socialist but Sanders has RECEIPTS to back that up. Excuse me but UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #43

I live in a Socialist country. LakeArenal Feb 2020 #79

Good thing that isn't what Sanders is proposing, then. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #81

I thought that sorta supported Sanders. LakeArenal Feb 2020 #83

My bad. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #87

I also don't think the term Socialist is a dirty word. LakeArenal Feb 2020 #92

I really think it is just bad for those that are older than Gen X Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #94

I'm old. I get it. LakeArenal Feb 2020 #95

I hate repeating myself, too, but the die off is happening now. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #86

Sanders has the ability to slip those punches.. mtron32 Feb 2020 #137

Perception is EVERYTHING. calimary Feb 2020 #162

Don't be afraid. mtron32 Feb 2020 #171

It's a very toxic label redstateblues Feb 2020 #53

Why? Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #82

In 1964, yes. paleotn Feb 2020 #121

especially an 80 evertonfc Feb 2020 #9

Bernie as the nominee is SUICIDE for our party and our country. WAKE UP EVERYONE. EveHammond13 Feb 2020 #12

old white billionaires would be the death of us. 5X Feb 2020 #105

Sanders as the nominee will flip Virginia to Trump. nt LexVegas Feb 2020 #10

And how do you know this? Bluepinky Feb 2020 #14

AMERICA. IS. NOT. VOTING. FOR. A. SOCIALIST. EveHammond13 Feb 2020 #16

Your opinion. Bluepinky Feb 2020 #22

Polls disagree with you. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #24

I could show you polls that do agree with me. Bluepinky Feb 2020 #32

How many polls show Sanders losing to Trump? Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #41

polls are so reliable EveHammond13 Feb 2020 #36

How are you supporting your claim that people won't vote for him? Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #42

Activate CAPS LOCK nobuddy Feb 2020 #48

Probably hoping to roll a nat 20, too. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2020 #72

No, every random person and their uncle are much more reliable whathehell Feb 2020 #49

My goodness, you are sure adamant about your position. Let's let the voters decide.. secondwind Feb 2020 #62

Stop hyperventilating. paleotn Feb 2020 #117

You hope. Iggo Feb 2020 #170

nah... handmade34 Feb 2020 #21

Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #31

OMG seriously? They did no such thing (nt) mr_lebowski Feb 2020 #56

What? She easily beat Sanders in the primary. brush Feb 2020 #64

I think 2018 illustrated that perfectly. Most Bernie backed candidates LOST. Do we want to win or UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #15

+100 EveHammond13 Feb 2020 #17

THE CAPS LOCK HAS LOGGED ON nobuddy Feb 2020 #18

Oh noes! Not teh caps lock! My eyes! Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2020 #76

Ah, but Bernie is the perfect candidate to escalate on the GOP. Thomas Hurt Feb 2020 #19

Much of America wants a democratic socialist. As Bernie has said, Politicub Feb 2020 #26

America won't elect a Socialist. My Trump hating spouse won't vote for a Socialist redstateblues Feb 2020 #58

I wouldn't know how to convince someone like your spouse that by not casting a vote, Politicub Feb 2020 #125

If Bernie is the nominee, she is voting for Trump. paleotn Feb 2020 #133

She's not voting for Trump redstateblues Feb 2020 #179

Your wife is giving Trump a vote Turin_C3PO Feb 2020 #134

A Democratic Socialist...like the rest of the industrialized world. Scotch-Irish Feb 2020 #28

"ignorance is ramant about this issue" AND IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE EveHammond13 Feb 2020 #37

Agreed. n/t MarcA Feb 2020 #38

Careful, you're the one showing ingorance. brush Feb 2020 #57

This message was self-deleted by its author TwilightZone Feb 2020 #84

K&R Sloumeau Feb 2020 #29

Too risky to take the chance this time. TheCowsCameHome Feb 2020 #33

I'm not sure why this is so hard to grasp for some people....talk about living in a bubble! nt UniteFightBack Feb 2020 #45

And the next time, and the next time, ... FiveGoodMen Feb 2020 #80

ALL OR NOTHING IronLionZion Feb 2020 #35

WHAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!11!!!!1!! demmiblue Feb 2020 #44

It's more than just who can get elected Vogon_Glory Feb 2020 #47

then counting Feb 2020 #60

Joe, Elizabeth, or Amy n/t Vogon_Glory Feb 2020 #67

Yup - nothing wrong with settling! jmg257 Feb 2020 #50

538 Concurs corbettkroehler Feb 2020 #59

Your facts were not in ALL CAPS nobuddy Feb 2020 #63

You May Not Think Much Of 538 But Most DUers Do corbettkroehler Feb 2020 #65

they were wrong in 2016 nobuddy Feb 2020 #69

you do know about margins of error, yeah? Piasladic Feb 2020 #161

Where do you get your information from? As far as I can tell, this is just your opinion, right? secondwind Feb 2020 #61

Chris Matthews, is that you? Anaxamander Feb 2020 #70

It's using our taxes for the people instead of corporations or war machines peoli Feb 2020 #71

Hard to understand why tiredtoo Feb 2020 #73

Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #74

I disagree, American's will take a Socialist over a criminal autocratic dictator. W T F Feb 2020 #75

Didn't he serve safeinOhio Feb 2020 #89

Right, no socialist is running. elleng Feb 2020 #77

Easy answer..when ONE individual accumulates more wealth than 150 million Americans combined, at140 Feb 2020 #78

Double posting this from Facebook, think about it. tiredtoo Feb 2020 #88

Beaut. MerryBlooms Feb 2020 #98

Sanders is at 50% with under 50s Sympthsical Feb 2020 #90

Try a little windex on your crystal ball, polling says something different... rwsanders Feb 2020 #91

That's fine because we don't have a Socialist(TM) running. AtheistCrusader Feb 2020 #93

Everyone is my family has told me that they WILL NOT vote for a Socialist... NurseJackie Feb 2020 #96

did you ask them who they will vote for? and do you believe them? NT tiredtoo Feb 2020 #100

Do they like fascist dictators instead? paleotn Feb 2020 #120

They know their vote won't make a difference and that Trump will win anyway... NurseJackie Feb 2020 #128

And in doing so, it's a self fulfilling prophecy. paleotn Feb 2020 #136

Again: Susan Sarandon, Michael Moore, Nina Turner, Briahna Joy Gray... NurseJackie Feb 2020 #141

Won't make a bit of difference put Trump in the White House and will do so again. paleotn Feb 2020 #147

They've done well for themselves, haven't they? NurseJackie Feb 2020 #151

You don't vote blue no matter who..it's more babies in cages. paleotn Feb 2020 #156

I cannot control what they do. Why are you attacking me? NurseJackie Feb 2020 #158

We can't give the GOP a narrative.... Chakaconcarne Feb 2020 #97

THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE CERTIFIED! oasis Feb 2020 #99

Give it up please... Perseus Feb 2020 #102

Corporate Socialism Liberalhammer Feb 2020 #103

I want a form of national health care... the_sly_pig Feb 2020 #104

Nope, there are plenty of countries in the World where the citizens enjoy Universal Healthcare Perseus Feb 2020 #111

What I would like to know is how Sanders is allowed on the Dem ticket if he is not a Dem? Maraya1969 Feb 2020 #106

Hey....there's a key over on the left side of the keyboard... paleotn Feb 2020 #107

CNN-Bernie Sanders misled America. Voters aren't comfortable with a socialist President Gothmog Feb 2020 #108

Really??? Traildogbob Feb 2020 #109

Socialism Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #110

The GOP calls everyone a socialist. It's a meaningless scare word for them. nt Gore1FL Feb 2020 #173

i will answer one of your statements Perseus Feb 2020 #113

I'm FULLY ON BOARD WITH BERNIE James48 Feb 2020 #114

Most voters are unable to parse the difference Ferryboat Feb 2020 #115

I reluctantly agree ... earthside Feb 2020 #116

I Agree Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #127

Here's the bet - Dan Feb 2020 #123

You can always identify a valid argument jcgoldie Feb 2020 #130

Agreed. If anyone wants to start a socialist party, feel free. R B Garr Feb 2020 #131

Watch them. gldstwmn Feb 2020 #132

Let This Be A Lesson blue-wave Feb 2020 #135

In fairness Bernie has had many legislative accomplishments. He's not my choice. mahina Feb 2020 #140

I feel like every time I log into Tien1985 Feb 2020 #143

I agree with 90% of Sanders' positions and would vote for him ... Mila18 Feb 2020 #145

BULLSHIT...I am voting blue all the way thru and pbmus Feb 2020 #146

Since you're only snowybirdie Feb 2020 #148

Its not rocket science but it is a very interesting rorschach test. Kurt V. Feb 2020 #150

Republicans have abused the English language beyond recognition. KY_EnviroGuy Feb 2020 #152

SHOUTING DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #153

You don't even need to make it as broad as "America," AleksS Feb 2020 #155

Sanders Won Progressive2020 Feb 2020 #174

I don't disagree JustAnotherGen Feb 2020 #160

I think the fact trump was elected should put "electability" to bed. D23MIURG23 Feb 2020 #163

For people under 45, Socialist is no longer a dirty word. We were never indoctrinated SweetieD Feb 2020 #167

Repubs will argue MFM008 Feb 2020 #168

Their lack of a dictionary shouldn't curtail our choices, though. nt Gore1FL Feb 2020 #175

Relevant Ronald Wright quote anamnua Feb 2020 #169

It MaKeS tHe PoInT bEtTeR iF yOu AlTeRnAtE cAsE. nT Gore1FL Feb 2020 #172

No America won't vote for a socialist. Progressive dog Feb 2020 #176

Quit yelling. n/t Boulevardier Feb 2020 #177

we are a capitalist country and be need somebody to represent dumptrump1 Feb 2020 #180

Well, then it's a good thing that Bernie is NOT a socialist. Laelth Feb 2020 #181

"I am a socialist; of course I am a socialist" - Bernie Sanders maximusveritas Feb 2020 #182

Amen to that! Vivienne235729 Feb 2020 #183

I wouldn't say Bernie is any further left than FDR Wabbajack_ Feb 2020 #185