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Demsrule86

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98. The ACA is gone if Trump wins.

Reply to Laelth (Reply #51)

Sun Feb 23, 2020, 05:40 AM

Feb 2020

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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We're screwed. Trump will probably win again and we'll probably lose the House. [View all] jaysunb Feb 2020 OP

Then America deserves to collapse if Americans are that stupid. OliverQ Feb 2020 #1

I don't. You don't. My children certainly don't. Codeine Feb 2020 #40

Agree 100%. Except for those, left and right, who did it. nt Hortensis Feb 2020 #58

And my grandchildren don't deserve it either PatSeg Feb 2020 #77

My family does NOT deserve to collapse. onecaliberal Feb 2020 #129

Isn't it strange that some people can guarantee a loss if Bernie is the nominee ripcord Feb 2020 #148

Strange indeed... but not surprising. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #154

If the Dems lose, it won't be because of Bernie or any other candidate. Eyeball_Kid Feb 2020 #156

He could win some of Trump's base. Nobody else can punch through. applegrove Feb 2020 #2

Only 3 states matter and other Dems are polling higher than Sanders. octoberlib Feb 2020 #5

Only Biden is polling higher in some swing state polls. OliverQ Feb 2020 #14

Bloomberg is leading in Florida and Michigan Kaleva Feb 2020 #43

Bloomberg doesn't have any leading AGGREGATE polling, not one !!! uponit7771 Feb 2020 #173

They need to start winning then jimfields33 Feb 2020 #55

Yes! This is what my family helped me realize. Claritie Pixie Feb 2020 #89

. Squinch Feb 2020 #112

Bernie appeals to a wide swath of the electorate cuz his policies appeal to peeps sense of fairness. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #155

Your opinion is noted Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #3

Thanks elleng Feb 2020 #4

Thanks, but if Biden or Bloomberg are not the nominee, we're fucked. jaysunb Feb 2020 #6

I'm a Biden supporter Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #10

Thank you. You're the first Biden supporter I've heard say that. OliverQ Feb 2020 #18

Exactly. People who are constantly making this claim about Sanders dooming us Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #31

I will add my thanks for someone supporting their own candidate with respect for others. Rilgin Feb 2020 #44

At the end of the day, it's about uniting the opposition Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #116

+1 Meadowoak Feb 2020 #64

rec. MerryBlooms Feb 2020 #144

It is interesting that we have been focused on registrering young voters ripcord Feb 2020 #24

Indeed. n/t Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #37

It is supported by the facts. Qutzupalotl Feb 2020 #134

When it actually damages his standing, get back to me Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #135

By then it will be too late. Qutzupalotl Feb 2020 #136

None of those are facts, they're opinions Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #137

They are all facts, Qutzupalotl Feb 2020 #141

There's nothing to dismiss Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #142

So it is factual. Qutzupalotl Feb 2020 #143

Factual that they have oppo research? Um, yes. I never said they didn't have Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #145

You said all my facts were opinions. Qutzupalotl Feb 2020 #147

Your initial post to me was in respose to this: Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #149

To be clear, we are not automatically doomed. Qutzupalotl Feb 2020 #151

+1 uponit7771 Feb 2020 #175

FACT: Sanders has no historical swing state appeal outside of MOE, Biden has the most uponit7771 Feb 2020 #174

Why do you assume either of them can win? OliverQ Feb 2020 #15

Also, if Bloomberg is the nominee, we're fucked Saviolo Feb 2020 #45

+1, I don't believe people are even thinking about Bloomberg uponit7771 Feb 2020 #176

If Bloomberg is the nominee we're screwed Bradshaw3 Feb 2020 #59

The Democratic candidate will be running against TRUMP. Eyeball_Kid Feb 2020 #158

I second that!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #152

I support Downtown Hound. . . Collimator Feb 2020 #181

Everybody! Mark his words!!! Bonobo Feb 2020 #7

"know nothing"? oasis Feb 2020 #97

Hard to argue at this point HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #8

Yep, say goodbye to Speaker Pelosi Lexblues Feb 2020 #9

No Bernie fan here, but there is a line in your post I find disturbing - alittlelark Feb 2020 #48

Something along these lines needs to be its own OP. 5X Feb 2020 #101

He surrounds himself with Jill Stein voters and people who sow distrust and division in the party. MrsCoffee Feb 2020 #121

If Sanders were to win the nomination... W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #11

just like many of them ran on not supporting Pelosi ibegurpard Feb 2020 #30

Except Sanders -- and especially his supporters -- don't really follow in Pelosi's footsteps. W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #52

Well, aren't you just a ray of sunshine Bettie Feb 2020 #12

Sen. Warren would have a better chance than Sanders. jaysunb Feb 2020 #21

And I refuse to give up hope Bettie Feb 2020 #27

A couple things 2naSalit Feb 2020 #35

300,000 True Blue American Feb 2020 #103

agree 100% evertonfc Feb 2020 #13

Please stop. This kind of thinking only encourages the republicans and the Russians. CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2020 #16

Hopefully Putin is reading this Moderateguy Feb 2020 #20

No, people who refuse to vote will end this American Experiment. YOHABLO Feb 2020 #17

Sanders is the nominee Trump wants and on a cold November day we can watch it all crumble when Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #25

Well I'm going to vote and encourage others to as well. YOHABLO Feb 2020 #32

I don't. We need to win the EC . I will vote for any nominee including Sanders. But I Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #96

Is this discussion going... bluedeathray Feb 2020 #19

The voters get the government they deserve Shermann Feb 2020 #46

This Isn't Accurate DarthDem Feb 2020 #22

Moderates won the house and they are up for reelection...the top of the ticket is big on who wins. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #26

If you go district by district, DarthDem Feb 2020 #33

There is also another built in assumption. Rilgin Feb 2020 #49

That's Fair DarthDem Feb 2020 #86

Except a bunch of jusice dems did run dsc Feb 2020 #109

The same assumption holds in reverse Rilgin Feb 2020 #159

We can look at numbers dsc Feb 2020 #160

Your numbers are off Rilgin Feb 2020 #166

That is not true. If Sanders loses big in those red purple districts, we lose the house. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #93

Which ones? DarthDem Feb 2020 #100

The districts that Trump won in 16 by large margins...a high turnout of Trump supporters... Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #122

I don't think so DarthDem Feb 2020 #138

They will vote against Sanders...and it will continue down ticket. if we had a nominee they could Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #162

Not if we all stand behind the nominee karynnj Feb 2020 #23

Wishful thinking not political reality...this is a center left country maybe a center right Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #29

What makes you think a man who spent his career using law enforcement to terrorize Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #36

Trump is the terrorist; he must go. And Sanders is not great on guns ...important Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #92

I would vote for Bloomberg over Trump too Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #115

Do you understand that Black women are going for Bloomberg? because he has the money to beat Trump. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #123

22% support from African Americans Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #128

According to what I heard to day on MSNBC that has gone up. We won't know until super Tuesday. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #164

Maybe it went up to 23%. Downtown Hound Feb 2020 #171

I would suggest that there is something to the year plus of polling where Sanders karynnj Feb 2020 #68

I want Trump gone and Sanders wont win a general.Thus if Bloomberg has a chance...I Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #91

Not in the blue wall states...we are likely to lose a Senate seat in MI if Sanders if the nominee Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #124

Sanders actually won Michigan in the 2016 primary - easily karynnj Feb 2020 #130

I wish that were true. We have an EC which he won't win. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #94

Sanders has no historical swing state appeal outside of MOE, Biden has the most. We can stand uponit7771 Feb 2020 #177

Can you back that up with state level head to head polling or anything else? karynnj Feb 2020 #183

Yes, look up Sanders Trump Michigan for instance and you'll get RCP avgs for that state uponit7771 Feb 2020 #185

Thanks for the link - but when I go to all the potential candidates, Sanders is slightly better than karynnj Feb 2020 #186

That's why I said historical because the same happened to Obama once he started winning he got uponit7771 Feb 2020 #187

To some, Bernie is inspirational. Few say that Biden is -and the economy will not be worse with him karynnj Feb 2020 #190

maybe it's time for you to take a break then ibegurpard Feb 2020 #28

Maybe not...it is looking like Trump will win at the moment if Sanders is the candidate but hey this Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #34

We've gotten through worse. ucrdem Feb 2020 #38

No we haven't . Trump is the worst. And we will have a 6-3 court. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #95

Agree that's what it looks like but things are harder to break than they appear ucrdem Feb 2020 #157

Our only hope is to defeat Sanders for the nomination...field a candidate that can win and destroy Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #161

Doubt It colsohlibgal Feb 2020 #39

We survived three years of Trump. We can survive another five, if need be. Laelth Feb 2020 #41

Unless you have a pre-existing condition Shermann Feb 2020 #47

I doubt that the Republicans will be able to trash the ACA. Laelth Feb 2020 #51

The ACA is gone if Trump wins. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #98

As it is now, it's not the same Polybius Feb 2020 #139

No, It Isn't DarthDem Feb 2020 #140

They won't touch pre-existing conditions, too many GOPers are old and sick, and have grandkids. Hoyt Feb 2020 #79

Supreme Court. All courts. The rule of law in general. DangerousRhythm Feb 2020 #60

I know. It sucks when they get to appont judges. Laelth Feb 2020 #62

I'm voting for the Democratic nominee. rockfordfile Feb 2020 #74

Me too...but I see little hope in a Sanders nomination. But I do have hope that Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #99

Wholeheartedly disagree SDANation Feb 2020 #70

Yep. I do. Laelth Feb 2020 #73

No you're pushing right-wing crap rockfordfile Feb 2020 #75

I take offense at your questioning my motives. n/t Laelth Feb 2020 #76

Based off what evidence?! Trumps willingness to walk out into 30 yrs of jail time if he wasn't ... uponit7771 Feb 2020 #179

Yes, but Supreme Court Justices are forever. n/t zackymilly Feb 2020 #106

Trump is different...he is a fascist in the making and we have no way to stop him...even Reagan was Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #165

You forgot about the "if you're white" part of your statement. Trump is taking brown peoples uponit7771 Feb 2020 #178

That's a stain on American history, no doubt. Laelth Feb 2020 #189

I haven't seen this thread 100 other times this week. Ace Rothstein Feb 2020 #42

+1 mdelaguna Feb 2020 #111

Bloomberg or Biden are our only chance GanjaGrower Feb 2020 #50

With a lot of work, we might hold the house Progressive dog Feb 2020 #53

Yay! People can be so fucking stupid. Dream Girl Feb 2020 #54

If we all work to get people to vote Dem... DangerousRhythm Feb 2020 #56

Any of our candidates CAN beat Trump. dchill Feb 2020 #57

Like I said in another post, I'm more afraid that DU will go into terminal meltdown if Sanders wins Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #61

I would be delighted...delighted...If I though Sanders could win...I would be all in ...would have Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #125

We will all need to muster the courage to persist despite our worst fears Fiendish Thingy Feb 2020 #131

You think it will hugs and ham sandwiches around here if Sanders wins? Sanders is NOT Obama ... uponit7771 Feb 2020 #180

Your heart attack is precious donheld Feb 2020 #63

Bernie will win. And we keep the house and win the Senate back! Meadowoak Feb 2020 #72

Keep dreaming. dhol82 Feb 2020 #78

Dream on musette_sf Feb 2020 #80

Not in this lifetime...and your candidate will be seen as a spoiler and will be finished in Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #126

Most likely true Jakra Feb 2020 #65

Ok Chris Matthews juliuswest Feb 2020 #66

I'm in AZ Olafjoy Feb 2020 #67

I'm in AZ Bradshaw3 Feb 2020 #69

Not really, you want it to be that way but a purple at best state that has never gone for the Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #132

Sadly, I feel the same. I hope we are wrong. Vivienne235729 Feb 2020 #71

It's Still A Long Way Until The National Convention Vogon_Glory Feb 2020 #81

Guaranteed..I'm not going to worry about it. Let the Bernie cult live with it. nt helpisontheway Feb 2020 #82

We will all have to live with it. n/t zackymilly Feb 2020 #108

This all I can say about November doc03 Feb 2020 #83

Pessimism is close to defeatism. guillaumeb Feb 2020 #84

How about realism?? nancy1942 Feb 2020 #88

Who defines what is realistic? guillaumeb Feb 2020 #119

Political reality is based on the numbers...Sanders won't win blue wall states and has no Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #133

Trump/Russia want Sanders to be the one they run against. keithbvadu2 Feb 2020 #85

Misplaced Panic colsohlibgal Feb 2020 #87

The insane opponent is the one to watch out for Shermann Feb 2020 #105

No way, Bernie will obliterate Trump budkin Feb 2020 #90

I'm not so sure Shermann Feb 2020 #107

What crossover vote? OliverQ Feb 2020 #117

That's mostly true Shermann Feb 2020 #120

why don't you work for a candidate instead of against one? 5X Feb 2020 #102

Chicken little much? DiverDave Feb 2020 #104

I'm voting 🗳 for whoever is the nominee Delmoniko Feb 2020 #110

You are absolutely correct. Squinch Feb 2020 #113

Nope. Eyeball_Kid Feb 2020 #114

sanders would kill down ballot candidates Gothmog Feb 2020 #118

correct. start accepting it. EveHammond13 Feb 2020 #127

Not to be a dick, but how well did your predictions go in other elections? Gore1FL Feb 2020 #146

Past is prologue. 1972. n/t jaysunb Feb 2020 #150

I can list dates, too. Gore1FL Feb 2020 #163

Oaky dokey jaysunb Feb 2020 #167

I lived through it, too. A lot has changed in 50 years. Gore1FL Feb 2020 #168

Sorry, the dynamics are almost identical. Nt jaysunb Feb 2020 #169

Almost identical.... Gore1FL Feb 2020 #170

LOL!! Good one!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #153

Kicking Cha Feb 2020 #172

There comes a point when all this doom and gloom ... markpkessinger Feb 2020 #182

Relax, the cavalry is coming Cicada Feb 2020 #184

It is too soon to declare Bernie the winner treestar Feb 2020 #188