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MH1

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25. I don't know how anyone with a REAL 'conscience' withheld support / vote from Hillary
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 12:42 PM
Feb 2020

in 2016.

But I saw enough clueless dipshits tell me that their 'conscience' kept them from voting for Hillary and kept them trashing her after she won the nomination.

So, in the primary we all may have different opinions who is the best to support from a 'conscience' standpoint.

But don't fucking tell me in the GENERAL ELECTION that your 'conscience' tells you to withhold your support for the Democratic nominee. Even our worst candidate is better than letting Trump get another term.

I always take that 'conscience' claim with an ocean's worth of salt. Because from where I sit, someone who resorts to that instead of rational arguments, is signalling they may potentially feel 'justified' in not supporting our nominee if it isn't their own perfect choice. Fuck that.

As for moderates "telling people who to vote for" - your vote is private (okay not so much in caucuses, I guess). Either way, woman up or man up, as the case may be, and take a fucking stand. People have a right to tell you anything. You have the right to make the choice whether to do that or do what you feel is the right thing. It's totally on you, not them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #1
there is not a 'voters', there are many groups of voters Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #8
3 states, means the entire US... gotcha SDANation Feb 2020 #13
He hasn't won a majority of the votes so far... Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #15
*Some* voters want Bernie. Others do not. This voter does not. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #59
Voters wanted Hillary and made that clear. But we still heard people saying they would Blue_true Feb 2020 #71
Do post a link to where "the moderates" told you that. Squinch Feb 2020 #2
... 5X Feb 2020 #19
You seem to see someone telling someone how to vote in that. Can you please point to where? Squinch Feb 2020 #30
Some people need to vote their feelings with reckless irregard for the future of the USA. empedocles Feb 2020 #3
Irregard isn't a word. Sympthsical Feb 2020 #69
I think it's about being pragmatic. Do you want Trump re-elected? Dream Girl Feb 2020 #4
This! OhZone Feb 2020 #10
Nope. OliverQ Feb 2020 #12
With a little help from his friends. We are being played. Dream Girl Feb 2020 #16
No he's not. SDANation Feb 2020 #17
Yes, he is. OliverQ Feb 2020 #26
I think people should vote with their brains... Fresh_Start Feb 2020 #5
+1000 MH1 Feb 2020 #7
Your conscience is not as important as the future of this country. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #6
Why do you not apply that to your own choice of candidate? OliverQ Feb 2020 #14
I have done exactly that. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #18
But why do you assume Biden can? OliverQ Feb 2020 #35
Let's see how it looks after Super Tuesday. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #40
Because the establishment fallout87 Feb 2020 #42
Please define "the establishment," because I think if I see that meaningless word one more time The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #56
Wait... fallout87 Feb 2020 #75
Why shouldn't the DNC have some say with respect to who represents it? The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #78
Biden has amply demonstrated that he is shitty at this campaigning thing. Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #44
You are arguing a different point. Mine was that I prefer to vote with my brain The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #53
It's all your brain, you know. PassingFair Feb 2020 #80
That's true; of course "heart" is just a metaphor for emotions. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #81
I'm uncomfortable The Mouth Feb 2020 #9
I've gone back to college full time at the age of 57 ripcord Feb 2020 #21
Are they going to vote, though? The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2020 #27
They never have in the past. But why let that stop us from believing!!!1! Squinch Feb 2020 #34
I saw a group of Hispanic students showing support for Bernie on Friday ripcord Feb 2020 #43
Well, that clinches it. Squinch Feb 2020 #48
What do you think their reaction would be The Mouth Feb 2020 #32
They are only the future of our party ripcord Feb 2020 #46
That's my perception. The Mouth Feb 2020 #62
You know what's sad to me? Tien1985 Feb 2020 #77
What would the supporters of any other candidate that it happened to think ? CentralMass Feb 2020 #49
🤣🤣 SDANation Feb 2020 #11
No one can in good conscience J_William_Ryan Feb 2020 #20
So you are guaranteeing a victory if Biden is the candidate? ripcord Feb 2020 #24
At least we have a shot...there none with a Sander's nomination. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #38
So you have no idea if Biden can beat Trump ripcord Feb 2020 #52
Putin says Sanders is most likely to lose. Qutzupalotl Feb 2020 #61
So now you take campaign advice from Putin? ripcord Feb 2020 #67
He's been right before. Qutzupalotl Feb 2020 #68
1000+ wisteria Feb 2020 #33
Which moderates? Garrett78 Feb 2020 #22
Why do some interpret being told they should vote their conscience as being told not to? gulliver Feb 2020 #23
I don't know how anyone with a REAL 'conscience' withheld support / vote from Hillary MH1 Feb 2020 #25
You're probably right about that. lapucelle Feb 2020 #51
That's harsh, but probably true. lapucelle Feb 2020 #54
it is the same story every four years Voltaire2 Feb 2020 #28
No one is telling anyone anything. wisteria Feb 2020 #29
The ideas behind your post is why we are losing the entire government...no don't vote your Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #31
You need to use your common sense along with your conscience. We have to really win. PubliusEnigma Feb 2020 #36
In the face of Trump, "voting your conscience" is privileged indulgence. NT Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #37
Wow. Well put. This. Squinch Feb 2020 #50
Well there are some people who seem to think it doesn't matter how we vote. lapucelle Feb 2020 #39
I will vote my heart and head in the primary. cwydro Feb 2020 #41
Did the republicans vote their conscience in 2016 for Trump? Moderateguy Feb 2020 #45
So your solution is to be more like the republicans ripcord Feb 2020 #57
I'm not quite sure what you're saying. Turin_C3PO Feb 2020 #47
I'm fine with it...I am strong enough to do my own thing, and ignore people who want to tell jmg257 Feb 2020 #55
I really don't care melman Feb 2020 #58
As I said on another thread... Faux pas Feb 2020 #60
They mean well. Laelth Feb 2020 #63
bernie's been bad mouthing me for 50 yrs but that's not why I dont like him nt msongs Feb 2020 #64
LOL ... "Moderates" Iggo Feb 2020 #65
I'm just uncomfortable with moderates, period. NRaleighLiberal Feb 2020 #66
Quite a few moderates went for Bernie in Nevada booley Feb 2020 #70
We don't have the luxury of voting for our feelings. We need to vote for who can dethrone the orange Vivienne235729 Feb 2020 #72
Think for yourself. LakeArenal Feb 2020 #73
I don't get the argument that a candidate who loses the primaries should be tapped for the general. D23MIURG23 Feb 2020 #74
It's always been the rule here. Tien1985 Feb 2020 #76
Because your "conscience" is going to get us all killed CalFione Feb 2020 #79
Conscience is why I won't vote for the pro-gun candidate in the primary. nt LexVegas Feb 2020 #82
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