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thesquanderer

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23. re: "And a 5% Margin of Error is basically a BS poll."
Sun Feb 23, 2020, 03:37 PM
Feb 2020

1. There is no correlation between margin of error and poll quality (i.e. the likelihood that the true result does fall within whatever MoE is specified).

2. MoE does not mean that all possibilities within the MoE are equally likely. They are bell curved. Results near the specified numbers are more likely than results that are further away. If Sanders is 7 points ahead of Trump in a poll with MoE of 7, sure, there are still plenty of results consistent within that MoE where Trump can win, but it remains more likely that the actual result will favor Sanders than Trump.

3. Now put that in context of all those other 9 polls that I linked to, where Trump did not lead in a single one, and Sanders leads by anywhere form 4 to 14. Yes, MoE means these numbers are not all accurate... but odds that ALL of them are off SUBSTANTIALLY and all in the SAME directions start to get vanishingly small. The more polls that support the same results, the more likely the information is correct.

I'm not saying Sanders definitely wins Michigan. I'm just saying it makes no sense to say it's a fact that he won't, when not only can no one predict the future, but the best tools we have (polls) are 100% consistent in showing the odds favor the opposite.

But I can't say any more than that about it, and if you don't buy it, fine, we can agree to disagree. There's nothing to be gained here by further discussion, and the personal insults are tiresome.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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I doubt it FBaggins Feb 2020 #1
Yep, the super rich make money whether the market is up or down. n/t zackymilly Feb 2020 #2
How is it different you ask? Warren Buffet isn't running for president. n/t thesquanderer Feb 2020 #5
Except he's already run for president FBaggins Feb 2020 #15
Nope.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2020 #3
+++ still_one Feb 2020 #4
It's not blame, it's about empathy and values, who they care about & fight for (nt) thesquanderer Feb 2020 #6
Okay??? LovingA2andMI Feb 2020 #7
Not relevant to my post. But I agree with your first point, not your second... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #9
It's a Fact.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2020 #10
Some people don't understand the difference between facts and opinions, but... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #12
Here we go... LovingA2andMI Feb 2020 #13
Facts about Sanders and Michigan thesquanderer Feb 2020 #14
Umm.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2020 #16
As I said, that's a whole other conversation and wasn't the point, but no... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #17
As I said.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2020 #19
Coincidentally, this just posted... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #20
Yes, they are.... LovingA2andMI Feb 2020 #22
re: "And a 5% Margin of Error is basically a BS poll." thesquanderer Feb 2020 #23
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2020 #8
Are you serious? Warren is the only one who could. She's the expert who was blm Feb 2020 #11
both of them stand out from the rest of the dems KayF Feb 2020 #18
Warren stands out from everyone in the country. blm Feb 2020 #21
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