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In reply to the discussion: Castro? Jesus Christ, CASTRO, Bernie? [View all]blue-wave
(4,828 posts)37. More History Time
How many deaths was Fidel Castro responsible for?
"Accredited author, Mario Lazo in his book Dagger in the Heart : American Policy Failures in Cuba, placed his, now dated, 1968 estimate at 50,000 deaths. For some to cavalierly disregard such death toll estimates as "lunatic estimates from the exile community" is beyond callousness."
"Miguel A. Faria's book, Cuba in Revolution (2002), op. cit., pp. 415-416, states the following: "Since Fidel Castro took over the island in 1959, the best figures that we can glean is that between 30,000 to 40,000 people either have been executed en los paredones de fusilamiento (in the firing squad wall) or have died in the hands of their communist jailers. Mr. Faria also estimates: "The best conservative estimate is that between 30,000 to 40,000 Cubans have perished attempting to flee Castro's regime, mostly succumbing in the treacherous waters of the Florida Straits. My figures for death at sea are consistent with Juan Clark's" Cuba: Mito y Realidad, "who estimated that more than 16,000 Cubans had made it to freedom since 1959 up to the time of the publication of the book in 1992. Clark estimated that figure represented only one out of three Cubans who attempted to make it to freedom. Countless thousands of others have died indirectly as a result of Fidel Castro's collectivist policies, unspeakable privations, malnutrition, and the general desolation of a once more prosperous island."
https://www.quora.com/How-many-deaths-was-Fidel-Castro-responsible-for?share=1
"Accredited author, Mario Lazo in his book Dagger in the Heart : American Policy Failures in Cuba, placed his, now dated, 1968 estimate at 50,000 deaths. For some to cavalierly disregard such death toll estimates as "lunatic estimates from the exile community" is beyond callousness."
"Miguel A. Faria's book, Cuba in Revolution (2002), op. cit., pp. 415-416, states the following: "Since Fidel Castro took over the island in 1959, the best figures that we can glean is that between 30,000 to 40,000 people either have been executed en los paredones de fusilamiento (in the firing squad wall) or have died in the hands of their communist jailers. Mr. Faria also estimates: "The best conservative estimate is that between 30,000 to 40,000 Cubans have perished attempting to flee Castro's regime, mostly succumbing in the treacherous waters of the Florida Straits. My figures for death at sea are consistent with Juan Clark's" Cuba: Mito y Realidad, "who estimated that more than 16,000 Cubans had made it to freedom since 1959 up to the time of the publication of the book in 1992. Clark estimated that figure represented only one out of three Cubans who attempted to make it to freedom. Countless thousands of others have died indirectly as a result of Fidel Castro's collectivist policies, unspeakable privations, malnutrition, and the general desolation of a once more prosperous island."
https://www.quora.com/How-many-deaths-was-Fidel-Castro-responsible-for?share=1
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No he's not, he's picking out the good to rationalize the net bad. Like saying Dahmer had a dog
uponit7771
Feb 2020
#4
Deflection, we're talking about net good vs net bad and you understand that. just stop
uponit7771
Feb 2020
#7
There's deflection and false equivalencies here. Fuck dictatorships, simple analysis there.
uponit7771
Feb 2020
#11
It was a miserable dictatorship but also massively helped the poor and rural.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2020
#12
Again, fuck a dictatorship ... nothing "complex" about that. Dahmer had a dog that doesn't make him
uponit7771
Feb 2020
#13
... neither did Trump say the words "quid pro quo" so that makes it OK right?!?! REALLY ?!!?
uponit7771
Feb 2020
#22
+1, and I just heard about Sanders voting record on guns. How are young people supposed to ...
uponit7771
Feb 2020
#82
The "bern-splain" on guns is Sanders record is bad with the NRA as if that erases his decades
uponit7771
Feb 2020
#85
+1, omfg ... "he helped the poor" WTF ?!!? This is some mil spec rat f kin going on here.
uponit7771
Feb 2020
#31
Did the same in Russia. Toured and visited some great stuff, ignored breadlines, treatment of
emmaverybo
Feb 2020
#107
It's scary, some are intimating a dictatorship is net good because the poor where helped ...
uponit7771
Feb 2020
#15
Twisting a candidate's intent by extremist absolutes to bash Bernie now are we?
lambchopp59
Feb 2020
#27
K&R, that's why I asked if there's a path without Florida cause it gone ... zip nada
uponit7771
Feb 2020
#3
No lands were returned to ANY other than the dictator class Cubans...rich Casto Cubans
AncientGeezer
Feb 2020
#128
I understand the Law...100% I also know the BS propaganda that was being
AncientGeezer
Feb 2020
#135
Well, there goes Florida. I'd love to put people in touch with my brother's wife who was sent here
NBachers
Feb 2020
#30
The Library of Congress will fill in the blanks for your snide and ignorant comment, if you care
NBachers
Feb 2020
#103
I'm not sure why you're upset. As Cuba is so close to the United States, your comment ...
PTWB
Feb 2020
#114
we have had a very long history of screwing Cuba ,Central & South America not to mention the
yaesu
Feb 2020
#49
No because he gave caveats, had never been associated with socialists, except among
emmaverybo
Feb 2020
#108
That's funny because for months we were all reading here about how Biden was the leader
redqueen
Feb 2020
#115
Yes. He led in polls for nearly a year. Given his accomplishments, qualifications, experience, and
emmaverybo
Feb 2020
#117
All of which does nothing to explain why we were bombarded with "Biden is the leader" for months,
redqueen
Feb 2020
#118
He was the leader in polls, nationally and state by state. Given his unmatched resume, yes, many
emmaverybo
Feb 2020
#119
Indeed. He is the leader in most polls. Many still feel, however, that he is not electable in
emmaverybo
Feb 2020
#122
As always, Sanders will get to skate on this and the downballot Dems will catch the shitstorm.
Blue_Tires
Feb 2020
#58
President Sanders has promised to govern as the leader of the Democratic Party. What more you want?!
InAbLuEsTaTe
Feb 2020
#62
Oh because the right needs something that's a big weapon. And they don't have anything on anyone
Nanjeanne
Feb 2020
#102
Rep. Barbara Lee: "He led a revolution in Cuba that led social improvements for his people."
David__77
Feb 2020
#105