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George II

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198. Good analysis - we need a candidate that can win Florida and Wisconsin. One is out there....

Reply to Celerity (Reply #41)

Mon Feb 24, 2020, 02:50 PM

Feb 2020

....alienating himself from a huge bloc of Latin/South American refugees and immigrants.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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'Kiss Florida goodbye': Voto Latino head warns Democrats of coming 2020 debacle [View all] still_one Feb 2020 OP

Sanders won overwhelming support among Latinos in NV berni_mccoy Feb 2020 #1

How many of those in Nevada are Cuban? George II Feb 2020 #8

Yep, big difference there. Mr.Bill Feb 2020 #31

I totally agree Gobbierella Feb 2020 #116

Not just a mistake... it can also be insulting to some to make those kind of assumptions. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #133

Yep, the moderate Hillary Clinton took Florida in 2016. Oh wait, no she didn't. brutus smith Feb 2020 #51

Haven't you heard? Only moderates can win General Elections OliverQ Feb 2020 #169

Meh, all Latinos are the same, right? MH1 Feb 2020 #55

After I read the first post that was my first thought Butterflylady Feb 2020 #114

How many of those Floridians of Cuban extraction are third- or fourth-generation... MrModerate Feb 2020 #121

As a Florida native, I can tell you that there are lots of them. And they don't Nay Feb 2020 #129

Cubans consistently vote Republican anyway. OliverQ Feb 2020 #168

No they don't: George II Feb 2020 #170

Yes. Fidel and the Bay of Pigs is to Cubans Captain Zero Feb 2020 #183

or Venezuelan Rumanji Feb 2020 #173

It's not the same. rockfordfile Feb 2020 #33

Sanders is polling at 10% in Florida. octoberlib Feb 2020 #40

Do you have this poll? thx in advance ... I think its pretty important uponit7771 Feb 2020 #159

I actually saw it on here somewhere last week in the comments. octoberlib Feb 2020 #199

16% by the looks of it, second place to Biden. Why would Biden win FL if Hillary didn't, though? JudyM Feb 2020 #195

They like Biden more and he's against easy access to guns uponit7771 Feb 2020 #200

And that matters how? bitterross Feb 2020 #135

Is Florida planning on going Blue in 2020? Autumn Feb 2020 #2

Which are nothing like Florida. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #6

Thank you for stating that so much better than I did in my post #31 Mr.Bill Feb 2020 #35

And I don't think he'd be popular with the Batistas. burrowowl Feb 2020 #167

"Florida" doesn't plan anything, the voters do. I doubt there are many Cubans or South Americans.... George II Feb 2020 #9

We got a lot of Latinos, and they like Bernie. Didn't have to look for it cause I know it. Autumn Feb 2020 #15

"A lot"? What is the magnitude of "a lot"? Cuban refugees and their families will NOT vote... George II Feb 2020 #17

You can google breakdowns and articles the same as I can. Good luck George. Autumn Feb 2020 #28

Not interested. I already know the numbers, Autumn. George II Feb 2020 #30

Then don't ask me an question George if you know the answer already. Autumn Feb 2020 #84

That was a question about YOUR perception of "a lot", the term you used..... George II Feb 2020 #88

Many of the Puerto Ricans came to Florida after the hurricane. sheshe2 Feb 2020 #37

Too and we have 5 other candidates who are diluting the percentage of votes FloridaBlues Feb 2020 #54

Yes, his history of praising Castro will go over so well in Florida. ehrnst Feb 2020 #70

"Praise" maybe, but definitely no shrine to Fidel. So, there's that. oasis Feb 2020 #158

Lots of Cuban refugees in Florida. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2020 #3

...and they are largely Republican, so we're unlikely to get most of those votes, thesquanderer Feb 2020 #7

Not anymore.... George II Feb 2020 #13

Encouraging. Maybe that's part of why nearly ALL our candidates are looking competitive there. nt thesquanderer Feb 2020 #27

Which makes sense. Trump has made it extremely difficult for John Fante Feb 2020 #38

Thanks, George. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2020 #44

45% were Democrats or Independents as of 2018 TwilightZone Feb 2020 #14

Exactly. It shows how out of touch people that make that claim are. nt Blue_true Feb 2020 #29

Which means 65% are Republican? quakerboy Feb 2020 #86

55% mac56 Feb 2020 #126

Wow. Thanks. I did not math that well quakerboy Feb 2020 #202

The younger ones aren't mostly republican. nt Blue_true Feb 2020 #25

I understand they do not like Trump. apcalc Feb 2020 #49

Not as much as they used to be democrattotheend Feb 2020 #109

And families... children... grandchildren. NurseJackie Feb 2020 #10

Exactly. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2020 #47

Lots of Puerto Ricans in central florida that got screwed over by the orange shit stain mitch96 Feb 2020 #16

Are thete enough of them to carry the state in the general? wnylib Feb 2020 #118

The younger Cubans are not so hard core but if they have film of Bernie praising Fidel .... Botany Feb 2020 #91

Inter-generational conflict: Florida senior retirees don't want to pay for Bernie's proposals bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #4

I am more worried about our Congresspeople in FL Moderateguy Feb 2020 #5

Thank you for this report, still_one. Cha Feb 2020 #11

President Obama won Florida, and it was a critical state as we all remember in 2000 still_one Feb 2020 #12

Most critical.. nader and sarandon made sure we Cha Feb 2020 #21

we lost florida in 2000 because the votes were not counted questionseverything Feb 2020 #111

sarandon and nader were a big part of why we lost Florida Cha Feb 2020 #184

Hillary lost Florida, not Susan Sarandon. SMC22307 Feb 2020 #180

Obama is not socialist. wnylib Feb 2020 #64

I think Sanders embracing Fidel Castro during the cold war will not play well there for the majority still_one Feb 2020 #71

We couldn't even win back Florida in our 2018 wave election. W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #18

That's right.. "endorsed by sanders". Cha Feb 2020 #22

His endorsement was like the kiss of death in all but the bluest of areas. W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #24

Good thing Hillary won Florida in 2016. Oh, no she didn't. brutus smith Feb 2020 #52

So if Hilary could not win FL, do you wnylib Feb 2020 #113

Gillum lost by 24,000 vote. Nelson lost by around 4,000 votes. Blue_true Feb 2020 #39

Look for a repeat in 2020, which wnylib Feb 2020 #124

Florida has 11 days of early voting plus Election Day. Blue_true Feb 2020 #144

Don't count on poll wstchers. wnylib Feb 2020 #151

You make really wild claims. Poll watcher are people that are loyal to the party Blue_true Feb 2020 #153

LOL. Let's talk about reality. wnylib Feb 2020 #155

You keep spinning up massive in scale conspiracies. Blue_true Feb 2020 #160

That still hurts and I don't live in Florida! greatauntoftriplets Feb 2020 #50

Aren't they worried about DACA, family immigrating to the no_hypocrisy Feb 2020 #19

Seriously. Yo do know that they you have to be a US CITIZEN to vote.. Moderateguy Feb 2020 #26

Cubans do not have to worry about DACA. wnylib Feb 2020 #137

I think Virginia will flip back to red if Sanders helpisontheway Feb 2020 #20

Gees, I don't know about that. Duppers Feb 2020 #154

Voto Latino should maybe explain to them the difference between Bernie and Cuba and that the GOP is Autumn Feb 2020 #23

If Sanders is the nominee, FL dems will have a much bigger fight on their hand Moderateguy Feb 2020 #32

Maybe you should. W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #34

+1000 sheshe2 Feb 2020 #57

While I do speak and understand Spanish, enough to follow a conversation I don't read or write it. Autumn Feb 2020 #94

that's Bernie Sanders responsibility. rockfordfile Feb 2020 #36

Bernie and his supporters should be doing that. sheshe2 Feb 2020 #61

Florida Democrats are the one's saying that Trump is targeting their voters. I doubt that Autumn Feb 2020 #140

Yes, the GOP is lying to them. wnylib Feb 2020 #132

What kind of enlightenment are you wnylib Feb 2020 #139

Have you not heard Trump saying Democrats are all radical socialists? Autumn Feb 2020 #147

Democrats as socialists is not a new wnylib Feb 2020 #152

If ANY of our candidates become the nominee and we lose FL and WI, we have no real path Celerity Feb 2020 #41

According to the latest polls, Wisconsin doesn't look good for us still_one Feb 2020 #42

That was the reason I made this as a reply in another thread several days back, in reply to a FL Celerity Feb 2020 #56

I think your analysis is right on Celerity still_one Feb 2020 #72

I am so worried on so many levels. The best thing that could happen now is (and my dog, what a Celerity Feb 2020 #78

That was a big factor in 2008 for sure, but I wouldn't count on it this time. I think a lot of us still_one Feb 2020 #98

+100000000 Celerity Feb 2020 #100

...................... still_one Feb 2020 #102

I have another concern, as if we don't already wnylib Feb 2020 #150

I think IF he was going to pull the old state of national emergency card out, he would have to do it Celerity Feb 2020 #172

I agree with you on MFA. wnylib Feb 2020 #191

Ugghhh, that is not welcome news. Let us all hope we can turn it around. Celerity Feb 2020 #192

Losing WI appears to doom us andym Feb 2020 #43

Wisconsin isn't a make or break, if we capture Florida, Ohio, North Carolina for example still_one Feb 2020 #48

WI and FL, if lost, more than likely doom us. The odds of flipping what is is left are very Celerity Feb 2020 #99

Nebraska could split its EC votes jayschool2013 Feb 2020 #60

I am aware of that but NE-2, which went Trump last time, is very unlikely to be flipped Blue Celerity Feb 2020 #68

Trump won Omaha by 2 percent in 2016 jayschool2013 Feb 2020 #127

Well, if we did flip it, and Trump keeps ME-2 Red, then we are right back to the 269-269 ultimate Celerity Feb 2020 #142

I made a mistake in reply to you, that makes flipping NE-2 less likely, & why I did not focus on it Celerity Feb 2020 #148

Good point. jayschool2013 Feb 2020 #157

I'd be cannabis_flower Feb 2020 #69

I wish I could share this post. Nt xmas74 Feb 2020 #95

we're not winning Wisconsin. Kurt V. Feb 2020 #143

Thank you so much for posting this. Sloumeau Feb 2020 #165

Good analysis - we need a candidate that can win Florida and Wisconsin. One is out there.... George II Feb 2020 #198

Yes, kiss it goodbye soon as Sanders /Castro comes to light. apcalc Feb 2020 #45

Will not play well with most in Florida. William769 Feb 2020 #46

President Obama won Florida twice . . . Iliyah Feb 2020 #53

Sanders is actually doing very well with Latinos! ananda Feb 2020 #58

Cuba! Castro! Refugees! Ffs Dream Girl Feb 2020 #82

they do not know the difference Skittles Feb 2020 #123

They vote Republican anyway, at least the older voters. Ffs SMC22307 Feb 2020 #174

I'm speechless. emmaverybo Feb 2020 #87

Not the same in Florida. Sanders workers better get on the ball with regards to the areas of the USA rockfordfile Feb 2020 #119

Maybe but.. cannabis_flower Feb 2020 #59

Not close enough vercetti2021 Feb 2020 #65

If Hispanics come out hard.. cannabis_flower Feb 2020 #67

True dat . . . Iliyah Feb 2020 #89

Abbott, Patrick and all them have numbered days vercetti2021 Feb 2020 #117

Texas is a fossil fuel state. Not going to happen rockfordfile Feb 2020 #125

We have just been blue-wave Feb 2020 #62

what, are they gonna vote for trump then?? AlexSFCA Feb 2020 #63

I don't know what the Cuban Americans in Florida will do. If they don't like either candidate they still_one Feb 2020 #79

considering they voted republican in the past is not the worst outcome AlexSFCA Feb 2020 #138

Not Playing Well To Latinos JGug1 Feb 2020 #66

I believe she is reflecting the views of Cuban Americans in Florida still_one Feb 2020 #74

Nevada and Florida are not the same. rockfordfile Feb 2020 #108

Not just Cubans. SoFlo has a shedload of South Americans from nations that had socialist governments Celerity Feb 2020 #149

'Kiss Florida goodbye': Voto Latino head warns Democrats of coming 2020 debacle. LenaBaby61 Feb 2020 #73

Young Latinos are nothing like the old socialist-hating Cuban exile community, which is... Tarc Feb 2020 #75

Same shit, different year. Initech Feb 2020 #76

Florida is always fool's gold for Democrats n/t Bradshaw3 Feb 2020 #77

Re. socialism. Laelth Feb 2020 #80

I'd happily trade Florida for Texas. quakerboy Feb 2020 #81

No that's not reality. rockfordfile Feb 2020 #105

as of 2017 quakerboy Feb 2020 #164

Socialism is not winning concept in FL. IluvPitties Feb 2020 #83

Someone mentioned Puerto Ricans cannabis_flower Feb 2020 #85

Wait til they get the true Bernie views on immigration. Sure he has evolved, but when the GOP emmaverybo Feb 2020 #92

That kind of talk shows a degree of being out of touch. rockfordfile Feb 2020 #122

Well if Bernie wins the nomination cannabis_flower Feb 2020 #166

Is "Voto Latino" threatening as a means to an end to turn people away from Sanders? Perseus Feb 2020 #90

Agreed. But as we've seen thru the years, people in general can really be dumb at times. Nay Feb 2020 #136

Sanders wins Texas. 7horses Feb 2020 #93

Perhaps, but all the polls I have seen thus far is that no Democratic candidate is winning against still_one Feb 2020 #101

Isn't Texas an hour behind Florida? Iliyah Feb 2020 #104

No. Why did you say that? Texas is a fossil fuel state. you're trolling rockfordfile Feb 2020 #115

Please don't troll uponit7771 Feb 2020 #134

You are missing one important thing- James48 Feb 2020 #96

You realize this isn't my opinion, it is Mara Teresa Kumar still_one Feb 2020 #103

Younger Cuban-Americans have been more liberal than previous generations IronLionZion Feb 2020 #97

I am not from Florida, so I have no idea what the sentiment is still_one Feb 2020 #106

I've said this as well democrattotheend Feb 2020 #107

Good point! warmfeet Feb 2020 #110

I'm sick of TheFarseer Feb 2020 #112

Who are you calling a "concern troll"? The OP is just displaying an article by Mara Teresa Kumar still_one Feb 2020 #128

I certainly don't mean the OP TheFarseer Feb 2020 #130

+++ Appreciate the clarification. Thanks still_one Feb 2020 #131

Cuban latino's vote Republican anyway ... aggiesal Feb 2020 #120

The older ones definitely do. I belonged to a theater group that was founded by Cuban Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #156

Seriously. Why is DU in such a panic over this? SMC22307 Feb 2020 #175

To answer your question ... aggiesal Feb 2020 #179

Education and healthcare for all will not be free. emmaverybo Feb 2020 #178

It will still be cheaper than what you're paying for your Healthcare & Education ... aggiesal Feb 2020 #181

For many of us it won't actually. But I would pay more taxes so others can have coverage though emmaverybo Feb 2020 #182

When Johnson signed Medicare into law ... aggiesal Feb 2020 #185

i rather hear from the voters themselves instead of a ceo. That's usually where the sanders will Kurt V. Feb 2020 #141

Bernie is polling within the margin of error of beating Trump to Prosper Feb 2020 #145

National polls are irrelevant. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #161

Not in Florida and MOE on "other than x" incumbent candidate nationally is horrible uponit7771 Feb 2020 #162

The division which this post has generated is precisely why the Russians promote Senator Sanders! IndianaDave Feb 2020 #146

Facts matter and Sanders swing state polling is lack luster at best and has been for the last 3 ... uponit7771 Feb 2020 #163

But when those in swing states are asked about ... aggiesal Feb 2020 #176

In Nevada, a LOT of republicans registered to vote as Democrats NCProgressive Feb 2020 #171

Sorry, But She Always Seems To Have Excuses For Latinos Not Voting Me. Feb 2020 #177

Case and point...Rep Debbie Mucarsel-Powell (FL) PunkinPi Feb 2020 #186

Oh , just more doom and gloom fallout87 Feb 2020 #187

Can you quantify that? n/t rzemanfl Feb 2020 #189

LoL, are you my biggest fan? fallout87 Feb 2020 #193

I have just become obessesed with quantification. I have no heart. rzemanfl Feb 2020 #196

I would love to win all 50 States, or at the very least all of the states now called "purple" Tom Rinaldo Feb 2020 #188

I wouldn't "count on taking Florida's" electoral votes regardless Politicub Feb 2020 #190

Better look to for a makeup for VA electoral votes if that guy gets the nomination. nt LexVegas Feb 2020 #194

Thankfully, the Latino vote is not a monolith, and Cuban-Americans are a very small slice. intheflow Feb 2020 #197

Florida Democratic Party disavows Sanders. Gothmog Feb 2020 #201

This makes me smile Gothmog Mar 2020 #203