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pnwmom

(110,255 posts)
Mon Feb 24, 2020, 08:31 PM Feb 2020

About the Democratic Socialists of America, the group that is going all out for Bernie, [View all]

the self-branded Democratic Socialist. Despite the protests of many Bernie supporters, Democratic Socialists are socialists -- people who want to, in the group's own words, abolish capitalism.

If Bernie is merely an FDR Democrat or a New Deal Democrat, that is how he should brand himself -- not as a socialist.

This is from a couple years ago.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/5/15930786/dsa-socialists-convention-national


Like most socialist organizations, DSA believes in the abolition of capitalism in favor of an economy run either by “the workers” or the state — though the exact specifics of “abolishing capitalism” are fiercely debated by socialists.

“The academic debates about socialism’s ‘meaning’ are huge and arcane and rife with disagreements, but what all definitions have in common is either the elimination of the market or its strict containment,” said Frances Fox Piven, a scholar of the left at the City University of New York and a former DSA board member.

In practice, that means DSA believes in ending the private ownership of a wide range of industries whose products are viewed as “necessities,” which they say should not be left to those seeking to turn a profit. According to DSA’s current mission statement, the government should ensure all citizens receive adequate food, housing, health care, child care, and education. DSA also believes that the government should “democratize” private businesses — i.e., force owners to give workers control over them — to the greatest extent possible.

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DSA does have a history of members who were more likely to consider themselves “New Deal Democrats,” more interested in creating a robust welfare state than in turning the means of production over to the workers. But David Duhalde, DSA’s deputy director, says the “overwhelming majority” of its current members are committed to socialism’s enactment through the outright abolition of capitalism.


https://www.dsausa.org/democratic-left/building-dsa-with-bernie/

Bernie Sanders is the first viable national candidate in living memory who identifies as a democratic socialist, and his campaign has already mobilized masses of working people. By endorsing Sanders, DSA committed to playing a key role on the national stage. Rather than limit ourselves to funneling volunteers to Sanders field offices, we launched an Independent Expenditure (IE) campaign to go toe-to-toe with the right wing and corporate Democrats. The IE gives DSA the ability to set its own strategy and dedicate its full resources to the cause as long as it does not coordinate with the campaign.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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so how is prime minister corbyn doing these days? nt msongs Feb 2020 #1
Ooooooooooooooh empedocles Feb 2020 #13
You are better than this. hedda_foil Feb 2020 #2
evidently not questionseverything Feb 2020 #5
What is this ISA group that appeared in Richland, WA with Sanders? TheCowsCameHome Feb 2020 #3
if being a socialist means we all get decent healthcare...count me in questionseverything Feb 2020 #4
It won't. nt pnwmom Feb 2020 #7
you don't know that afterall medicare works pretty well questionseverything Feb 2020 #9
They are vastly overpromising on Medicare. It isn't free. pnwmom Feb 2020 #11
You do not need socialism to have good and universal healthcare, all the other advanced nations do Celerity Feb 2020 #30
I'm not afraid of socialists. Turin_C3PO Feb 2020 #6
I'm afraid of a socialist whose brand will cause him to lose the Presidential election pnwmom Feb 2020 #8
if you were really afraid you would stop spreading the narrative questionseverything Feb 2020 #10
I would much rather have Elizabeth Warren win, an honest leftist with detailed proposals. pnwmom Feb 2020 #14
i would be great with warren for pres or as sanders vp but questionseverything Feb 2020 #15
They might not count for leftist progressives, but they DO count for millions of Americans pnwmom Feb 2020 #18
Words matter. Dictionary definitions matter. nt SunSeeker Feb 2020 #20
you may want a mixed economy, but a large portion of the intellectual forces behind Sanders most Celerity Feb 2020 #32
Yes! empedocles Feb 2020 #12
+++ still_one Feb 2020 #51
Lots of Democrats have been in DSA. Dolores Huerta, Ron Dellums... David__77 Feb 2020 #16
Bernie is not part of DSA. So this is irrelevant. DanTex Feb 2020 #17
The DSA is not a political party. He doesn't need to be a "member" of it. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #21
So? It still has members, and Bernie isn't one of them. What is the point of this? DanTex Feb 2020 #22
He may not be a dues paying member, but he's unequivocally a Democratic Socialist. SunSeeker Feb 2020 #23
He uses the same name as the Democratic Socialists. You expect average voters pnwmom Feb 2020 #24
Average voters have never heard of DSA. DanTex Feb 2020 #25
You don't think the Trump campaign will plaster info about them all over the media? pnwmom Feb 2020 #27
Not really, since Bernie has nothing to do with DSA. DanTex Feb 2020 #29
Tell that to its website. nt pnwmom Feb 2020 #36
"You don't think the Trump campaign will plaster info about them all over the media?" You're doing a cliffside Feb 2020 #35
We shouldn't wait till the general election to acknowledge the problems a candidate pnwmom Feb 2020 #37
And we should not do the dirty work for the Trump party. nt cliffside Feb 2020 #38
Bernie's been shooting himself in the foot. Sorry, I couldn't help notice. nt pnwmom Feb 2020 #40
I'm not into defining people by a label or ... nt cliffside Feb 2020 #41
Trump is the world's expert on branding. We better learn something about it, fast. n/t pnwmom Feb 2020 #42
There are choices to be made, you can either side with the Trump party or defend policies that ... cliffside Feb 2020 #44
Another option is to pick another excellent candidate who isn't insisting on an unpopular brand. pnwmom Feb 2020 #45
One could push back as Sanders does by pointing out examples of corporate socialism ... cliffside Feb 2020 #47
Then you should ask Bernie not to call himself a Democratic Socialist. pnwmom Feb 2020 #48
You are the one hung up on a label, not me. Maybe the root of the problem are cliffside Feb 2020 #49
BERNIE himself is hung up on the label. That is why, in the same week pnwmom Feb 2020 #50
This is why Bernie always, inaccurately, says Democratic Socialism is "like Denmark." SunSeeker Feb 2020 #19
Ugh. We'll be seeing more of those, if he makes it to the general. n/t pnwmom Feb 2020 #26
i am not a socialist democrat and i dont want one as president...so there samnsara Feb 2020 #28
DSA is much further to the left than Bernie Sanders. yardwork Feb 2020 #31
Warren clearly said she is a capitalist, and Bernie said she is a capitalist "through to the bone." pnwmom Feb 2020 #34
Much Ado About Not Much colsohlibgal Feb 2020 #33
Thank you! nt cliffside Feb 2020 #39
If you want to get within sniffing distance of accruing enough political power to do that, then Celerity Feb 2020 #43
You claim to support Warren but Bernie criticizes her for being a "capitalist through to the bone," pnwmom Feb 2020 #46
more about the DSA... which is itself a direct descendant of the SDA (Social Democrats of American) lapfog_1 Feb 2020 #52
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