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Grendam

(38 posts)
31. ::sigh::
Tue Feb 25, 2020, 02:02 PM
Feb 2020

I get the feeling that not many of you have actually ready the NYT and WaPo articles:

From the Washington Post:

As the Times noted, Biden’s memoir makes no mention of any such arrest. As far as we can tell, Biden never mentioned this arrest before; neither can we locate any news accounts of him being arrested.

Biden’s first statement above is rather jumbled. Soweto, a township near Johannesburg, is nearly 900 miles from Robben — not Robbens — Island, which is off the coast of Cape Town. He appears to be referring to a trip in 1977, but the U.N. ambassador from 1977 to 1979, Andrew Young, told The Fact Checker that he was never arrested in South Africa.

“There is no chance I ever was arrested in South Africa, and I don’t think Joe was, either,” said Young, who as executive director of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference worked closely with Martin Luther King Jr. on civil rights demonstrations. “I was arrested twice, in Savannah and Atlanta.”

Young noted that memories can play tricks, but it isn’t easy to forget being arrested. He has had many people recall that they were arrested with him in Birmingham, Ala., but he must remind them that he was under specific instructions not to get arrested during the 1963 Birmingham protests. His friends may have been arrested in Birmingham, he said, but he was not.

Young is a former Atlanta mayor who supports fellow former mayor Mike Bloomberg but considers Biden a friend. He speculated that Biden was mixing up stories about congressional delegations that would fly into Lesotho, a landlocked country surrounded by South Africa. He said he believed he traveled on at least three trips with Biden when he was a member of Congress.

Young said that on one trip, “we were not jailed, but we were retained by South Africa police,” who would not let the lawmakers get back to a military base in Lesotho so they could board their plane. A colonel finally came and sorted everything out. Young, with a laugh, recalled that then-Rep. Charles B. Rangel (D-N.Y.), who headed the delegation, “got pretty worked up about it.”

Young recalled also traveling with Biden on a trip led by Rep. Charles Diggs (D-Mich.). Biden appeared to refer to that trip when, as vice president, he issued a statement in 2013 on Mandela’s death — a statement that did not include mention of any arrest: “When I tried to enter Soweto township with Congressmen Andrew Young of Atlanta and Charles Diggs of Detroit, I remember their tears of anger and sadness.”

As for trying to see Mandela, Young said he repeatedly sought permission to visit Mandela between 1974 and 1990, but it was always denied. (Mandela was released in 1990 after 27 years in the isolated prison.) He said it was possible to visit Soweto to meet Winnie Mandela, Mandela’s then-wife, as well as other members of the African National Congress.


The articles goes on, but what is new is that Biden has never claimed to have been arrested before or that Biden was thanked by Mandela for being arrested.

The Washington Post concludes:

Biden has never been shy about tooting his own horn. So it’s pretty surprising that on the eve of a primary critical to his election hopes, he suddenly recalls being arrested in South Africa — and being thanked by Mandela for being arrested. There is no evidence for either claim; neither appears remotely credible. Biden earns Four Pinocchios.


I don't really see the point in saying Biden is right or this is a big gotcha thing by the media. His memory is failing him or he's embellishing in his pitch to African-American voters. There's a reason why his campaign did not respond to several requests.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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K&R. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2020 #1
Thank you! BlueCaliDem Feb 2020 #2
Biden is to me positive and energetic and composed every time I see him. Prosper Feb 2020 #50
Thank you. Tired of this crap. DarthDem Feb 2020 #3
Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #7
I figured there had to be some truth to the story. honest.abe Feb 2020 #4
Oh no, NOW you're done it! Will the people here who claimed it never happened retract... George II Feb 2020 #5
Nah, but they look a bit silly if they keep saying...best course is to pretend it didn't happen... Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #19
Nope PatSeg Feb 2020 #37
Why? jberryhill Feb 2020 #97
Nope!!!! DarthDem Feb 2020 #102
Good! IluvPitties Feb 2020 #6
Nice try, but not an arrest. doxyluv13 Feb 2020 #8
welp HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #10
This election is a shitshow. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #13
Illustrating the character of your candidate again, eh? LanternWaste Feb 2020 #36
Huh? BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #38
How about detained?? honest.abe Feb 2020 #14
Apartheid South Africa ProgressDiv Feb 2020 #67
Exactly. I was playing semantics with that person I replied to. honest.abe Feb 2020 #84
If someone won't let me leave and locks me up somewhere, I consider it being detained or Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #18
You obviously don't watch Live PD Boomer Feb 2020 #32
Yeah, I didn't watch "The Apprentice" either ProgressDiv Feb 2020 #68
Huh - that is definitely not what we are taught in NY - you do not allow someone jmg257 Feb 2020 #105
And a millionaire ain't "rich", just a man of the people... LanternWaste Feb 2020 #34
Yes it is, I went through this on a Federal secuirty form, I was pissed at what they called an arres uponit7771 Feb 2020 #42
Nobody cares. This is silly. yardwork Feb 2020 #56
The word "arrest" originates with with the French word for "stop." MineralMan Feb 2020 #58
Whatevah chuckles Loki Liesmith Feb 2020 #101
"So that sounds as if they were blocked, too, at the time." jberryhill Feb 2020 #9
+1 jalan48 Feb 2020 #11
The New York Times has evidence of this...maybe Young forgot it or didn't consider it Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #15
The New York Times has evidence of what? jberryhill Feb 2020 #76
Because Young unfortunately had more experience with being blocked/detained/arrested, and Biden highplainsdem Feb 2020 #20
I read this morning that Young did say they were detained OKNancy Feb 2020 #80
I would be interested to see that further statement of Ambassador Young jberryhill Feb 2020 #82
Boom. cwydro Feb 2020 #89
I figured as much...you would think they would have figured it out by now...with corn pop? Is that Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #12
K&R nt redqueen Feb 2020 #16
That's a detention, not an arrest cannabis_flower Feb 2020 #17
Maybe in the United States, but that happened in South Africa in 1976. George II Feb 2020 #21
From the description I just read.. cannabis_flower Feb 2020 #22
and we should all have encyclopedic nuanced definitions at the ready all the time. lapfog_1 Feb 2020 #24
Well cannabis_flower Feb 2020 #25
as sdomeone who has been "detained" by police before lapfog_1 Feb 2020 #30
As much as it "felt" like cannabis_flower Feb 2020 #35
Like I said... Joe should be more careful when choosing his language. lapfog_1 Feb 2020 #41
A brief detention of a US Senator on a diplomatic mission would be HUGE news jberryhill Feb 2020 #96
He's a graduate of Syracuse U Law School and practiced criminal defense law jberryhill Feb 2020 #70
Semantics honest.abe Feb 2020 #28
He couldn't leave, that's an arrest uponit7771 Feb 2020 #72
I probably would have used the word arrested, too. Not detained or detention. LizBeth Feb 2020 #23
You are right cannabis_flower Feb 2020 #39
Really? squirecam Feb 2020 #54
This Turbineguy Feb 2020 #26
Biden is a damned fine man. Was then. Is now. Poeraria Feb 2020 #27
I love uncle Joe but this is painful to watch joost5 Feb 2020 #29
His speech is rote, hurried and he's not really listening to himself at all. BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #33
When Biden paces himself and speaks from the heart he can command a room joost5 Feb 2020 #43
The only good thing, if he did become the nominee, is that both he and Donnie Dump BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #47
Wow... just wow padah513 Feb 2020 #79
Wow what? Joe is obviously tired. Probably all the candidates in their 70's are tired, because BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #81
Yes. In fact, in those cases he has a real gift. emmaverybo Feb 2020 #78
::sigh:: Grendam Feb 2020 #31
+1000 eom counting Feb 2020 #61
You need to get this out there cherryinpa Feb 2020 #40
K&R quickesst Feb 2020 #44
I remember about the hold up . . . Iliyah Feb 2020 #45
Held Up means Arrest to Biden?? Ahhhh....Isn't he a lawyer? nt USALiberal Feb 2020 #46
Arrest means to stop, from old French "arester," to stop. ucrdem Feb 2020 #55
Wow, really? nt USALiberal Feb 2020 #60
Yes, I went through this with a security form ... they didn't delinate the too ... pissed me off uponit7771 Feb 2020 #73
It's a long flight. He was having a rest. jberryhill Feb 2020 #95
Yes, he is jberryhill Feb 2020 #71
Parsing every word. AGAIN LakeArenal Feb 2020 #48
He's a lawyer for gods sake! He knows what an arrest is!!! nt USALiberal Feb 2020 #49
Not a lawyer in SA LakeArenal Feb 2020 #51
LOL, ok! nt USALiberal Feb 2020 #52
I'm talking parsing words LakeArenal Feb 2020 #59
Lawyers are not automatons treestar Feb 2020 #83
Lets just agree most would know when they were arrested! Nt USALiberal Feb 2020 #85
Not in a foreign country treestar Feb 2020 #86
LOL, the guy with him knew they were not arrested.......... USALiberal Feb 2020 #87
Because he was dutifully avoiding the "whites only" line jberryhill Feb 2020 #90
Humans recall things differently treestar Feb 2020 #107
Yeah jberryhill Feb 2020 #108
Biden wasn't there treestar Feb 2020 #112
that wasn't the point treestar Feb 2020 #106
Oh give it a rest jberryhill Feb 2020 #109
I might. treestar Feb 2020 #111
K&R for visibility. nt tblue37 Feb 2020 #53
I think this is more than fair to point out. Tom Rinaldo Feb 2020 #57
Andrew Young says it did not happen. former9thward Feb 2020 #62
Well this is about apartheid and there were 2 separate entrances FakeNoose Feb 2020 #63
It is highly unlikely that Andrew Young would have put up with that jberryhill Feb 2020 #74
No he didn't, he said "I don't think he was". George II Feb 2020 #98
Yeah, A Senator with him is arrested and he doesn't know about it. former9thward Feb 2020 #99
He couldn't see it from the "colored" line he was standing in jberryhill Feb 2020 #100
joe pamdb Feb 2020 #64
Biden has entered the avant-garde phase of his campaign Politicub Feb 2020 #65
Thank you! Cha Feb 2020 #103
I take back calling him a "Lyin' dog-face pony soldier." (nt) JaneQPublic Feb 2020 #66
He said he was arrested in the streets of Soweto melman Feb 2020 #69
Both Andrew Young and Charles Diggs went along with it, apparently? jberryhill Feb 2020 #75
Unlike Rethugs or the UK's David Cameron, who used to parade with 'Hang Mandela' signs sandensea Feb 2020 #77
Oh for crying out loud. cwydro Feb 2020 #88
It was an embellishment that got out of hand jberryhill Feb 2020 #110
You do realize this is entirely circular jberryhill Feb 2020 #91
According to the WaPo article, Joe said Mandela personally thanked him for getting arrested-- BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #93
Yeah, I saw that jberryhill Feb 2020 #94
Thank you for posting this Gothmog Feb 2020 #92
Another reason why Biden's the One. oasis Feb 2020 #104
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