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Gothmog

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59. Even With New Pay-Fors, Bernie's Agenda Still Has A $25 Trillion Hole
Wed Feb 26, 2020, 11:46 AM
Feb 2020



Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders has made some extraordinary promises in his campaign for president, including free health care, a federal jobs guarantee, universal forgiveness of all student debt, and radical expansions of nearly every government program from Social Security to housing subsidies. When asked at a CNN town hall last night how he would pay for this gargantuan expansion of government, Sen. Sanders presented moderator Chris Cuomo with a new document that Sanders claimed detailed how he would pay for his proposals. But don’t be fooled: these numbers still don’t add up, and Sanders should be pressed to explain his magic math at tonight’s debate.

The first problem is that the list of Sanders’ proposed spending increases is incomplete. Sanders has proposed costly plans for K-12 education, expanding disability insurance, paid family leave, and more that were not accounted for in the new document. He also grossly understates the cost of his Medicare for All plan by citing a flawed analysis that neglected to incorporate the costs of specific benefits Sanders proposes, such as universal coverage for long-term services and supports, and failed to account for how offering universal health-care benefits more generous than those offered by any other country on earth would increase utilization of health services.

Sanders and his surrogates regularly claim that critics are wrong to focus on how much Medicare for All increases government costs because it would reduce the total cost of health care. But independent analyses from the Urban Institute and Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget have concluded that even with the aggressive price controls he has proposed, Sanders’ Medicare-for-All framework would actually increase national health expenditures by up to $7 trillion. Sanders himself also admitted in a 60 minutes interview this weekend that his Medicare-for-All plan would likely cost around $30 trillion, yet the list of “options” Sanders has offered to pay for them (options which, it should be noted, he has never explicitly endorsed enacting together) would together cover less than 60 percent of that amount by the Sanders campaign’s own accounting.

In January, the Progressive Policy Institute published comprehensive cost estimates of the proposals offered by each of the leading candidates for president before the Iowa Caucus. After incorporating new proposals that Sanders has released since the publication of our analysis and minor methodological updates, PPI concludes that Sanders has now proposed over $53 trillion of new spending over the next 10 years – an amount that would roughly double the size of the federal government. Our estimate is, if anything, overly charitable to Sanders, as it accepts most of the Sanders campaign’s cost estimates outside of Medicare for All and assumes significant overlap in the costs of his proposed federal jobs guarantee and other spending proposals. Other analysts have estimated the total costs of Sanders’ proposals could be anywhere between $60 trillion and $100 trillion over 10 years. ,,,,

Sanders’ proposed pay-fors don’t even come close to covering these costs. The document Sanders published last night, along with others released earlier in his campaign, claim to collectively raise less than $43 trillion in new revenue – meaning that he’s at least $10 trillion short. But the revenue projections Sanders uses for his tax proposals are well outside the mainstream of what independent analysts at the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, Congressional Budget Office, Tax Policy Center, Penn Wharton Budget Model, and others have estimated. After reconciling Sanders’ latest list of pay-fors with these independent estimates, PPI concludes that even if Congress were to adopt every single revenue option Sanders has offered for consideration, it would fall almost $25 trillion short of his proposed spending increases over the next decade – leaving a gap nearly equal to the total value of all goods and services produced by the U.S. economy in one year.
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Except that his "how to pay for his programs" was vague and non-specific. Schmidt was right. George II Feb 2020 #1
And it only covers about half of the expected costs dansolo Feb 2020 #35
Exactly. Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #43
I'll await expert opinion as to whether it covers the cost and does not adversely impact Hoyt Feb 2020 #2
His "plan" includes magical numbers like $2.3 trillion in new income tax revenues he says highplainsdem Feb 2020 #4
There have been 22 studies that say Bernie's plan will saves lives and money. SamKnause Feb 2020 #6
Saving lives is a big factor, but not whole story. I'll await expert analyses. Hoyt Feb 2020 #8
So your not interested in the 22 studies and the Washington Post article ??? SamKnause Feb 2020 #11
I'd like to see analyses. We could save a lot of lives by spending entire GNP Hoyt Feb 2020 #13
I'd like to see what the assumptions are. Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #44
Does it not matter to u that his and Warrens BootinUp Feb 2020 #3
Well for myself: Not really. MisterFred Feb 2020 #5
I don't own a TV but many threads relate to coverage Sander's is getting ChubbyStar Feb 2020 #9
Sanders evokes very little of that for me. To me BootinUp Feb 2020 #12
$15 Minimum Wage Passed Here DanieRains Feb 2020 #15
I do give him some credit, but not as much as u. Nt BootinUp Feb 2020 #18
So does he get credit for the failure of single payer to pass dsc Feb 2020 #31
That was an economic problem of economy of scale Arazi Feb 2020 #47
and didn't the state pass the $15 minimum wage dsc Feb 2020 #57
I like Pete... MisterFred Feb 2020 #16
Pete hasn't had decades at this. Nt BootinUp Feb 2020 #19
Right. So, uh, how do you judge him on what he has done? nt MisterFred Feb 2020 #20
I think the answer is obvious. BootinUp Feb 2020 #21
Ah. You stop judging on what someone has done and move on to promises. MisterFred Feb 2020 #22
No I leave it to you to research while my system restore BootinUp Feb 2020 #23
Okay. Firing a police chief that was rooting out racism in his department. Not good. nt MisterFred Feb 2020 #40
First I heard it put that way BootinUp Feb 2020 #46
He went after Klobuchar and that ended his campaign jimfields33 Feb 2020 #37
Riiiiiiiiiiight!! No support all... certainly nothing like this... InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #25
And to address the vicious Republican meme about Sanders' "weak legislative record": DemocracyMouse Feb 2020 #28
Yes, thanks for drivin that point home DM... just another reason to get behind Bernie InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #29
I trust Bernie less to ACCOMPLISH his stated goals dansolo Feb 2020 #36
Given that their plans are supported by most Americans Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #7
That just ain't true. Half the time people dont BootinUp Feb 2020 #10
THIS x 1000!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #30
Sanders is only $30 trillion short Gothmog Feb 2020 #14
I'm sure Bloomberg will nail him on that in tomorrow night's debate. oasis Feb 2020 #26
Perhaps he could tax the 30 billion on Bloomberg alone jimfields33 Feb 2020 #38
Bernie's immediate problem is the tax on his own credibility in regards oasis Feb 2020 #39
Trillion, not billion. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #53
Oh crap! Yieks. jimfields33 Feb 2020 #56
sanders plan does not add up Gothmog Feb 2020 #41
THIS oasis Feb 2020 #45
Post removed Post removed Feb 2020 #17
70,000 Americans shouldn't have to die to ensure obscene insurance company profits!! InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2020 #24
It is still vague but he made one good point on 60 minutes on this issue: Liberty Belle Feb 2020 #27
So does Sanders think we're all stupid? 20 million new jobs to pay for his plan? REALLY?! uponit7771 Feb 2020 #32
I checked where he got that number. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #50
Jus wow, if Sanders numbers don't tank after this its because Warren is a woman. All the ... uponit7771 Feb 2020 #51
"Take all the insurance company employees and train them to help sick or disable people instead." MrsCoffee Feb 2020 #33
His plan is a disaster. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #54
Sure Bernie told you how he was going to pay for it. Sure he did. Squinch Feb 2020 #34
+1 20 million green new deal jobs is not even thinking about being realistic uponit7771 Feb 2020 #52
Statement from Biden campaign on sanders plan to pay for proposals Gothmog Feb 2020 #42
NYT-Bernie Sanders Outlines Funding for His Plans, but It May Not All Add Up Gothmog Feb 2020 #48
Simple! Simple? Simply ROFL. Scurrilous Feb 2020 #49
.... rzemanfl Feb 2020 #55
His plan to pay for it kinda sounded like.... Happy Hoosier Feb 2020 #58
Even With New Pay-Fors, Bernie's Agenda Still Has A $25 Trillion Hole Gothmog Feb 2020 #59
I watched it HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #60
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