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66. A vote for Bernie in the primaries is in reality a vote for Trump in the general.

Thu Feb 27, 2020, 11:11 AM

Feb 2020

In WW II when the Kamikaze pilots got ready to take off they got their speeders,
a nice shot of sake, and pretty girls waved flowers at them as they took off but
@ the end of the day they were dead. And in helping what Russia and Trump are also
working to do now in making Bernie the nominee is just nuts.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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New Morning Call PA poll Sanders only candidate beating Trump [View all] Nanjeanne Feb 2020 OP

Pretty soon the anti-Bernie people will be all out of talking points. DanTex Feb 2020 #1

That PA poll Butterflylady Feb 2020 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author BlueTillIDie Feb 2020 #61

I used to live in Avoca--from 1963 to 1970, when I married & moved to Kansas. nt tblue37 Feb 2020 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author BlueTillIDie Feb 2020 #79

Which city? tblue37 Feb 2020 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author BlueTillIDie Feb 2020 #83

Nope, but that sounds amazing! I am jealous! nt tblue37 Feb 2020 #84

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I also prefer animals to most people. I have some dear friends, but quality matters more than tblue37 Feb 2020 #105

Sounds really working class. HarlanPepper Feb 2020 #87

Russia much? yankeepants Feb 2020 #80

With all due respect to your opinion, I will take the results of a scientific poll totodeinhere Feb 2020 #70

It's an A+ rated polling firm (by 538]. Not many of those. JudyM Feb 2020 #77

Completely laughable. I lived in PA and it borders wgphere we live now. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #2

Got any links? Autumn Feb 2020 #4

Links for what? PA wont vote for a socialist. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #10

Other states will. You keep posting that Autumn Feb 2020 #14

WE We lose PA, MI and WI and we are toast...Sanders has already lost Florida...God knows what other Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #62

Bernie isn't actually a socialist OliverQ Feb 2020 #30

You might want to tell him that: George II Feb 2020 #46

1989...please stop this...What was Biden doing around that time? Perseus Feb 2020 #95

2019 work better for ya. ahoysrcsm Feb 2020 #113

Evidently you think we're all dumb. We're not Butterflylady Feb 2020 #48

And yet you still think Bernie follows Marxist Socialism. OliverQ Feb 2020 #51

His followers are spouting Marxist Socialism doctrine at rallies...great commercial fodder. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #65

You're confusing labels. OliverQ Feb 2020 #67

The Democratic platform is not socialist nor communist. I am a Democrat and a capitalist. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #71

"Socialism" is just a theory, there are no "Socialists" countries in the world Perseus Feb 2020 #103

I hope that Sanders doesn't win the nomination as he calls himself a socialist and that is a sure Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #116

I think you missed a few paragraphs because if you read it all you will find he is a Perseus Feb 2020 #98

BS calls himself a socialist MontanaMama Feb 2020 #59

Yeah, let's not believe what Bernie says about himself. n/t zackymilly Feb 2020 #64

You should tell folks who are given the microphone at his rallies that ...and I am thinking he is Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #63

And Sanders is a "Socialist" because???? Perseus Feb 2020 #88

Ask Sanders...he calls himself a socialist. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #117

Go to 270 to win...I have posted many state graphics...Sanders will lose the blue wall states. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #55

Well, this is the 2nd poll in a row with similar results Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #7

I see it too here in PA..seems everyone I know apcalc Feb 2020 #12

Well that is good. Demsrule86 Feb 2020 #57

yep, I'm from Western PA and no way does Bernie win here ebbie15644 Feb 2020 #35

I think it's pretty common for supporters of a particular candidate to disbelieve totodeinhere Feb 2020 #72

Right wing poll skewed by GOP responses bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #3

Oh of course. Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #8

Yes, of course bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #9

I worked at this polling institute for 5 years. Completely non-partisan. nt liskddksil Feb 2020 #28

Always described as far back as 1988 bucolic_frolic Feb 2020 #37

You might be thinking of a different college. Muhlenberg didn't start until liskddksil Feb 2020 #44

Really? Because Dems did the same thing in 2016. OliverQ Feb 2020 #33

It's a solid polling organization. TwilightZone Feb 2020 #41

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If they went heavy for trump in 2016, why would they not again? George II Feb 2020 #13

Because the alternative is Bernie instead of Hillary. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #18

I suppose that's why Sanders got half the votes in New Hampshire than he got previously? George II Feb 2020 #20

It was a factor, yes. He got more votes when he was the alternative to Hillary. thesquanderer Feb 2020 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author BlueTillIDie Feb 2020 #40

Which union is that? W_HAMILTON Feb 2020 #15

A lot of people are heavily invested in refusing to hear this. n/t Tom Rinaldo Feb 2020 #29

Second poll in a row where Sanders beats Trump in PA with widest margin Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #6

we are fucked samnsara Feb 2020 #11

The current frontrunner is polling best against Trump in a swing state Cal Carpenter Feb 2020 #17

Apparently losing in polls against Trump is the preferred position to be in. OliverQ Feb 2020 #34

I hope that there aren't some DU posters who hate Bernie so much that they would actually totodeinhere Feb 2020 #73

From what I've seen here, it wouldn't surprise me. OliverQ Feb 2020 #91

Every number well within the margin of error. Progressive dog Feb 2020 #16

And if Joe is within the margin of error too, you think they won't unleash... thesquanderer Feb 2020 #21

Right now the Russians are helping Bernie by going after Biden. Progressive dog Feb 2020 #115

Bernie is the best against Trump in PA..yeah and pigs fly.nt helpisontheway Feb 2020 #19

The polls must be supreme, right? David__77 Feb 2020 #23

But only when they support the candidate you like, right? Clash City Rocker Feb 2020 #85

Why do we put faith in polls??? SpazzTheCat Feb 2020 #24

Why do you assume ppl are putting their "faith" in polls? They just provide info for Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #26

There are lots of people on here SpazzTheCat Feb 2020 #31

No moderate has won the General Election this century OliverQ Feb 2020 #36

President Obama was/is a moderate SpazzTheCat Feb 2020 #39

He wasn't the moderate in those elections. OliverQ Feb 2020 #50

President Obama is absolutely a moderate Democrat SpazzTheCat Feb 2020 #54

There are a lot of people here using polls to justify Biden's rise and I guarantee if Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #38

I agree with you SpazzTheCat Feb 2020 #42

Thank you RhodeIslandOne Feb 2020 #32

That's all the data we got uponit7771 Feb 2020 #90

Very true SpazzTheCat Feb 2020 #111

THIS. Bernie is fighting to help working people. A lot of working people know it Tom Rinaldo Feb 2020 #25

Come on! Last week polls showed even Cartman beating Trump Under The Radar Feb 2020 #27

There must be a concerted effort by the RW to skew these polls. I live in PA BurgherHoldtheLies Feb 2020 #43

Yeah Cosmocat Feb 2020 #47

If this is true, like it feels in Texas too, why are Dems Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2020 #52

Free stuff promises??? BurgherHoldtheLies Feb 2020 #58

You mean like free universal health care for all just like every other major totodeinhere Feb 2020 #93

I am for expanding ACA but not for paying higher taxes to have diminished coverage BurgherHoldtheLies Feb 2020 #104

I think if you've lived in the business world in a career, you Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2020 #109

Hope we find a path without PA. If it's shifting away Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2020 #49

Bernie would get hammered in the general election in PA Botany Feb 2020 #53

The largest non-government employer in Pennsylvania is Healthcare...would lose jobs too BurgherHoldtheLies Feb 2020 #56

A vote for Bernie in the primaries is in reality a vote for Trump in the general. Botany Feb 2020 #66

Cool. So we need to, as Dems, support fracking. Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #68

I never said that. Botany Feb 2020 #69

Cool. So lie about your stance on fracking in Nanjeanne Feb 2020 #75

See? The circular firing squad debates worked! BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #60

I'm 100% sure Bernie could beat tRump but I also think the rest of the candidates could too as long yaesu Feb 2020 #74

A lot can happen between now and November JustAnotherGen Feb 2020 #76

Sorry, not buying it captain queeg Feb 2020 #82

So why do you assume Biden can beat Trump? OliverQ Feb 2020 #96

Did I say that? Maybe you should reread my post. captain queeg Feb 2020 #112

Just as meaningless as when Biden was the one consistently beating Trump book_worm Feb 2020 #86

..👍🏼, within MOE Dems need to to be outside of MOE uponit7771 Feb 2020 #94

Snapshot and not outside of MOE, 3 month gives it to Biden uponit7771 Feb 2020 #89

Margin of error is 5.5 percentage points. Sanders was 5 points ahead of the Orange MAGAt in Nov, deurbano Feb 2020 #92

So by your argument, no Dem can beat Trump? OliverQ Feb 2020 #97

Of course not! Just providing context for: "PA poll Sanders only candidate beating Trump" deurbano Feb 2020 #106

Wait until they hear about his fracking position... Callado119 Feb 2020 #99

Lest we forget Dopers_Greed Feb 2020 #100

There are three polls of PA covering approximately the same time period VMA131Marine Feb 2020 #102

How many of those are really Trump supporters muntrv Feb 2020 #107

Not too many. I have family in PA, grew up there, we might BusyBeingBest Feb 2020 #108

If We Stick Together We Can Win With Any Of The Candidates colsohlibgal Feb 2020 #110

The influence of MOE, Margin of Error, cannot be overstated. I wish this was actually littlemissmartypants Feb 2020 #114