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Mr Tibbs

(539 posts)
100. It's about the policy
Wed Apr 10, 2019, 11:01 AM
Apr 2019

It's always been about policy

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
I'm not sure he can win the South during primaries Shell_Seas Apr 2019 #1
he isn't. the plan is they will split among others JI7 Apr 2019 #4
and our nominee is not going to beat trump in the south rampartc Apr 2019 #278
We chose her because she was the most qualified person to ever run. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #282
+1 betsuni Apr 2019 #283
+1,000,000 Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #284
Are you sure about that? Shell_Seas Apr 2019 #285
i would need to be convinced to allow myself such optimism rampartc Apr 2019 #287
That's a BIG assumption!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #2
What's a big assumption? How do you think he will get Hillary voters to switch sides pnwmom Apr 2019 #3
Easy peasy... look no further than Bernie's progressive agenda. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #18
That doesn't answer my questions. I'll make it simpler. pnwmom Apr 2019 #24
Love Warren... could see voting for her myself. Just like Bernie slightly better... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #27
You know lots of people who supported Hillary over Bernie in the PRIMARIES, pnwmom Apr 2019 #35
No, Elizabeth is WAY more progressive than Hillary...and closer to Bernie on the political spectrum. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #40
So what you said makes even less sense. pnwmom Apr 2019 #49
Are you shocked that it makes no sense? BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #55
Because they got over it and moved on Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #124
They would have absolutely no reason to pick Bernie over a candidate pnwmom Apr 2019 #148
I'm over it.. here's the thing fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #165
Because many if not most people TheFarseer Apr 2019 #164
No, actually Elizabeth Warren is not more progressive than Hillary Clinton. lapucelle Apr 2019 #141
I don't care what ontheissues says... I'll go with what Hillary says, cuz no one knows InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #144
But even based on your argument, it would make no sense for a Hillary supporter pnwmom Apr 2019 #149
Thank you for finally showing Bernie proper respect by referring to him as a "Democratic Socialist" InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #154
Democratic socialists are a sub-group of socialists. And he freely describes himself pnwmom Apr 2019 #155
+1000 Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #166
What are you talking about? N/T lapucelle Apr 2019 #151
Or, they might see EW as more attractive a candidate than BS malchickiwick Apr 2019 #230
It doesn't make any sense mcar Apr 2019 #45
i voted HRC last time and am sticking with Joe this time..we need samnsara Apr 2019 #252
Yeah, same... l'd vote for Joe if he somehow managed to get the nom... but in the primary? Never. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #254
exactly..there are a lot of other candidates with progressive agendas.. samnsara Apr 2019 #251
What Agenda? Me. Apr 2019 #29
Slogans, Platitudes and Photo-ops nt BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #56
Wow, I did not know that. You should make that an op. Tipperary Apr 2019 #92
I do believe that it is in the mainstream from 2016, but good to be on the surface for 2020 Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #170
And BS's record is less progressive than that of Warren, Harris, Booker, and Gillibrand. lapucelle Apr 2019 #142
Seems Like A Not Trump Form Of 'Illlusion' Going On Here Me. Apr 2019 #162
It's remarkable that some of his supporters are not even aware of his record lapucelle Apr 2019 #194
Awhhh the truth of it!! Painful as it may be Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #168
Warren, Harris, Gillibrand, and Booker all have stronger progressive records than BS. lapucelle Apr 2019 #139
+1000 Power 2 the People Apr 2019 #201
a lot of us felt yelled at last time.. samnsara Apr 2019 #250
Yes, and the time before that... and we moved on. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #253
He doesn't need anyone to switch sides FBaggins Apr 2019 #90
Bernie wasn't even close to having a majority of pledged delegates last time, pnwmom Apr 2019 #169
So? Have you not seen a primary before? FBaggins Apr 2019 #172
So? We've already hit peak-Bernie. He's loved now by the same people who loved him last time, pnwmom Apr 2019 #173
Dems don't have winner-take-all primaries thesquanderer Apr 2019 #279
Thank you for the correction FBaggins Apr 2019 #286
re: "when a dozen or more candidates are splitting the remaining delegates" thesquanderer Apr 2019 #288
I also don't think that he'll keep "his" voters FBaggins Apr 2019 #290
How? He didn't even come close the last time. What has changed? Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #176
I don't think he will FBaggins Apr 2019 #183
Polls show Bernie Sanders' popularity among all voters is plummeting Gothmog Apr 2019 #234
Sounds more like wishful thinking! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #257
Denial is not just a river in Africa Gothmog Apr 2019 #259
Glad you show Bernie proper respect by recognizing him as "frontrunner"...at least that's progress!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #261
In the real world, these numbers show that sanders is NOT electable Gothmog Apr 2019 #263
A significant portion of sanders support were really non-democrats who will not be back Gothmog Apr 2019 #241
They won't pick BS. Hillary should have been potus- he should have been out there campaigning Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #163
Hillary graciously took responsibility for her heart-wrenching loss... you should accept that. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #221
Many real democrats have very long memories Gothmog Apr 2019 #273
True, Hillary should've... soon it'll be Bernie, did've!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #291
So booing Congressman John Lewis will help win Clinton voters in the real world? Gothmog Apr 2019 #218
You can keep saying that over and over and over again... won't make your dreams come true. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #220
Have any significant number of African American voters shown up to a sanders event yet? Gothmog Apr 2019 #233
Have you found video of any significant number of African Americans attending a sanders event yet? Gothmog Apr 2019 #239
From my Twitter feed Gothmog Apr 2019 #289
I supported Bernie in 2016; I don't now. This is nonsense. RDANGELO Apr 2019 #5
What is nonsense? Why do you think millions of Hillary voters would switch to Bernie pnwmom Apr 2019 #7
What is the rational reason for Hillary supporters to hold a grudge against Bernie? RDANGELO Apr 2019 #25
Most Hillary supporters I know are reasonable, rational, and fair... they don't hold grudges... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #30
... BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #57
I will vote for Bernie if he is the nominee. But I don't know a single Hillary supporter pnwmom Apr 2019 #72
There are many. MrsCoffee Apr 2019 #38
+∞ LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #47
lol melman Apr 2019 #63
+ 100 Me. Apr 2019 #97
It's not a matter of holding a grudge. He didn't interest them before and there's no reason pnwmom Apr 2019 #71
That's a reasonable analysis since Hillary supporters would tend to be more moderate. RDANGELO Apr 2019 #79
Yes, why Hillary supporters are more likely to go for Joe. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #255
It has little to do with him running against her radical noodle Apr 2019 #75
You nailed it! Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #182
Many MANY reasons, but not allowed to be posted. Amimnoch Apr 2019 #93
I don't think they're holding a grudge. lapucelle Apr 2019 #150
We didn't pick him the first time and now with even more choices we ain't gonna pick him now. UniteFightBack Apr 2019 #157
The rationale is he said he wouldn't play dirty in 2016.. he did. For 2020 he's hired attack dogs Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #181
That is not it. Many including me feel he did not support her properly in the general. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #205
Absolutely; "because he ran against her" doesn't even come close to describing the issue. LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #211
I am surprised that folks don't understand how horrifying the2016 general election was ... Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #212
I'm not, but getting into it is frowned upon LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #213
I said election not primary...the election of 16 was heartbreaking Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #223
Two things are different this time thesquanderer Apr 2019 #280
There won't be enough new voters to make up for the 4 million edge Hillary last time. pnwmom Apr 2019 #281
Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #42
+∞ LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #48
I don't know, and I supported him in 2016 before switching to Hillary at the convention, The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #6
I totally agree. I voted Bernie in primary, then ended up with Hillary. Irishxs Apr 2019 #13
In my view the most intelligent candidate in the whole group is Warren, especailly in regard to her still_one Apr 2019 #19
I like Warren a lot, too. And I think she'd do much better in the general than Bernie would. pnwmom Apr 2019 #73
I agree. still_one Apr 2019 #77
There are many who are not that hung up on the past. dogman Apr 2019 #8
Why would a Hillary voter pick Bernie over one of the others? He's the same candidate pnwmom Apr 2019 #10
They might be sick of t-Rump and want to win. dogman Apr 2019 #15
That would be true in the general. But I don't know any Hillary supporters who think pnwmom Apr 2019 #20
I don't know any Hillary supporters at all, so I don't know what they think. dogman Apr 2019 #26
I know lots of Hillary (and Bernie) supporters, and I don't know a single Hillary supporter pnwmom Apr 2019 #37
There's this. dogman Apr 2019 #44
That's nothing but name recognition at this point. In 2015 very few people would have said pnwmom Apr 2019 #52
Yep, I'm so over the 2016 bickering, its a whole new ballgame now with a ton of good, progressive yaesu Apr 2019 #69
I think that's the point of the OP radical noodle Apr 2019 #78
I was a Hillary supporter True Blue American Apr 2019 #102
No... the past is so yesterday. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #59
Past is prologue. lapucelle Apr 2019 #195
Easy. He will appoint Briahna Joy Gray, David Sirota, and Nina Turner to high positions in his still_one Apr 2019 #9
Yep LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #51
I also believe Biden can win a general election still_one Apr 2019 #61
Those names hired by BS awesomerwb1 Apr 2019 #80
........................................................................................... still_one Apr 2019 #82
100% True Blue American Apr 2019 #103
Why should he? If he appeals to folks with his messaging, they'll vote for him. Decoy of Fenris Apr 2019 #11
Because he can't win the nomination without a MAJORITY of delegates. pnwmom Apr 2019 #12
Point being, I just don't think he cares. A brokered convention will winnow the field. Decoy of Fenris Apr 2019 #23
Holy Moses! The return of the fabled "BROKERED CONVENTION" Maru Kitteh Apr 2019 #89
I mean I think it's a real possibility this time qazplm135 Apr 2019 #132
Well, golly, how did an electorate which voted for Barack Obama jberryhill Apr 2019 #14
Do you personally know any Hillary voters who are supporting Bernie now? pnwmom Apr 2019 #16
This may come as a shock jberryhill Apr 2019 #21
There's one on this board. But, there are Cha Apr 2019 #22
Wouldn't be me. calimary Apr 2019 #198
A huge factor was the economic collapse that occurred. That helped President Obama tremendously. still_one Apr 2019 #28
From what I've seen on Twitter Cha Apr 2019 #17
You can plug in any of the candidates names Voltaire2 Apr 2019 #32
Riiiiiiight... that's why Bernie leads in the polls among all the declared candidates. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #64
If sanders is the nominee, trump wins Gothmog Apr 2019 #274
I trust the voters... who trust Bernie!! Eventually, you'll realize you're wrong about Bernie... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #276
How can sanders get the nomination without African American voters? Gothmog Apr 2019 #277
You seem concerned. aidbo Apr 2019 #31
We all are "concerned" about getting Cha Apr 2019 #34
Totally agree. democratisphere Apr 2019 #43
And I don't know it's ... cannabis_flower Apr 2019 #46
Yes, I am. I think a brokered convention is a large possibility, and that will greatly reduce pnwmom Apr 2019 #39
I totally agree that a broakered could nvention will be the death of D win. Social media will Ninga Apr 2019 #256
More like SCARED...not sure why. Bernie's progressive agenda is extremely popular with likely voters InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #62
He doesn't stand out as progressive anymore. Not against people like Elizabeth. pnwmom Apr 2019 #74
Why mischaracterize Bernie's message? You know full well he doesn't label himself a "socialist"... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #91
Democratic socialists are still socialists. You are thinking of "social democrats," like the pnwmom Apr 2019 #108
Nope, BIG difference... please stop mislabeling Bernie, you're being disrespectful to him. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #112
I'm not mislabeling him. You are. Democratic socialists ARE socialists, pnwmom Apr 2019 #114
You might want to follow Obama's advice and stop with the circular firing squad... InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #116
Bernie's already filed to run as an Independent for the Senate in 2024. pnwmom Apr 2019 #117
Yup, change the subject... I don't blame ya. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #119
Right. When tens of millions of Hillary supporters decide he's a better candidate pnwmom Apr 2019 #120
Hillary isn't running Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #131
She ran in 2016, in case you didn't notice. And the people who chose her over him, pnwmom Apr 2019 #134
that's not changing the subject! It points out the fact that he does not see himself as a dem Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #184
Obama was talking about attacks on Biden by a 2016 Sanders supporter Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #206
Labels over substance for 100, Alex Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #126
Right. That's exactly what Bernie is doing when he insists on the socialist pnwmom Apr 2019 #147
Democratic socialism is heavily regulated capitalism Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #125
I suppose you can make up your own definition for words, comradebillyboy Apr 2019 #143
Not according to the Democratic Socialists of America. pnwmom Apr 2019 #146
No it is not. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #207
Thanks pnwmom. I get so tired of people telling me better social services comradebillyboy Apr 2019 #140
Polls show Bernie Sanders' popularity among all voters is plummeting Gothmog Apr 2019 #236
in a very crowded primary, bernie can win the nomination AlexSFCA Apr 2019 #33
How? What makes you think he would win in a brokered convention with only 30% pnwmom Apr 2019 #36
Not only CAN Bernie win the nomination, but he WILL win it... the writing's on the wall. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #58
He had huge rallies in '16. Thousands and thousands of people who didn't vote lunamagica Apr 2019 #67
"Rallies are meaningless"... ohhh okayyyyy, whatever you say. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #118
I'll tell that to anyone. Crowds are miningless. Just ask President Romney lunamagica Apr 2019 #121
A lot of writing on walls is just graffiti. MineralMan Apr 2019 #95
He is not winning in New Hampshire. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #209
I think Biden puts an end to this plan. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #208
Not in the real world Gothmog Apr 2019 #264
surely they will AlexSFCA Apr 2019 #267
I will support the nominee Gothmog Apr 2019 #268
Simple Answer. democratisphere Apr 2019 #41
Everything right now is speculation. Let's cross that road when we come to it. YOHABLO Apr 2019 #50
I was a Hillary voter BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #53
Maybe not you, but many will jump on the "Bernie bandwagon" InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #60
... BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #65
But you were always a Sanders supporter. You can't talk for Hillary supporters lunamagica Apr 2019 #68
Why not. That seems to be what they are best at. NT WeekiWater Apr 2019 #128
Runaway with the nomination? Naaa Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #186
No or few Clinton voters will support sanders during the primaries Gothmog Apr 2019 #265
Agree. He will not be the nominee. apcalc Apr 2019 #129
Has he changed his party affiliation yet? dhol82 Apr 2019 #54
It's too early to be certain of much. A lot can happen. Jarqui Apr 2019 #66
Agree with every word! This needs to be said. R B Garr Apr 2019 #70
The same way they got millions of Hillary voters to vote for Obama. vsrazdem Apr 2019 #76
Obama didn't make Hillary lose BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #136
+++++++ comradebillyboy Apr 2019 #145
+1000 Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #187
LOL vsrazdem Apr 2019 #197
You might want to check your facts, and stop living in a fantasy world. vsrazdem Apr 2019 #199
+1 very good list treestar Apr 2019 #262
Too bad so many BS voters didn't vote for Hillary in the GE.. Cha Apr 2019 #81
Too bad so many Hillary voters didn't for for Obama in the GE vsrazdem Apr 2019 #200
That has nothing to do with the Cha Apr 2019 #224
The implication is that Bernie voters cost Hillary the election, which is untrue. vsrazdem Apr 2019 #225
Jill Stein is now officially the Ralph Nader of 2016. Cha Apr 2019 #238
With slogans. betsuni Apr 2019 #83
Same way any other candidate would have to quakerboy Apr 2019 #84
Here's the difference: pnwmom Apr 2019 #85
Then you have no worries quakerboy Apr 2019 #87
My concern is that it will be like last time. pnwmom Apr 2019 #88
Since that didnt actually happen last time quakerboy Apr 2019 #244
Actually, it did. There were protesters at the convention, who had arrived there pnwmom Apr 2019 #245
Except it didnt quakerboy Apr 2019 #246
Hillary would have lost fewer Democrats if some of them hadn't walked away after the convention. pnwmom Apr 2019 #247
I doubt even one was lost after the convention quakerboy Apr 2019 #269
Then why did Bernie campaign for Hillary at all if he didn't think it would make a difference? pnwmom Apr 2019 #270
He can't. There's a huge difference between those who Hortensis Apr 2019 #86
Same as it ever was. Picking up enough support from others as they drop out Tom Rinaldo Apr 2019 #94
Thanks for your posting, Tom! RobertDevereaux Apr 2019 #99
With all the qualified candidates out there he's going to have a difficult time... George II Apr 2019 #96
He REALLY should not have left the Democratic Party after 2016...but he did Baltimike Apr 2019 #98
He joined the party again Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #110
He did? When? nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #122
March 5th Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #123
But he ran as a Democrat for the Senate and then changed back after he won... Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #210
It really does feel like he was 'kicking us when we were down" when he left in 2016. nt Baltimike Apr 2019 #248
Yes. I will never get over the 16 election and hope we can stop fascist Trump. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #266
It's now convenient for him Cha Apr 2019 #242
It's about the policy Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #100
I don't know that he does think that, and he certainly won't. KPN Apr 2019 #101
Do you think winning the nomination is his goal? MH1 Apr 2019 #104
+1 LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #105
Yet he is Miles Ahead of every other declared candidate Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #111
If he gets the nomination, I'll work to see that he wins. But, I'll do everything I can to prevent LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #113
I'll vote for the nominee in the general election. It won't be Sanders. nt MH1 Apr 2019 #115
Miles ahead? apcalc Apr 2019 #127
he isn't miles ahead, And an undeclared is ahead of him JI7 Apr 2019 #135
Hopefully better than his supporters did in 2016. namahage Apr 2019 #204
He's the frontrunner Mr Tibbs Apr 2019 #133
Sorry, no he's not. revmclaren Apr 2019 #137
Attend one of his events, and roody Apr 2019 #106
This was the argument last time, but his events never translated into votes. LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #109
His events were covered on TV. Most of us don't need to see any more of them. pnwmom Apr 2019 #152
In this primary, how many are planning to vote for Hillary? Nt hughee99 Apr 2019 #107
Good question melman Apr 2019 #138
The real question is how many of Hillary primary voters will switch to Bernie, allowing him pnwmom Apr 2019 #177
I didn't think he would win last time, and I don't think he'll win this time. hughee99 Apr 2019 #189
The problem is that last time he led his followers to think he was going to win pnwmom Apr 2019 #190
His supporters thought they were getting robbed long before the convention, and hughee99 Apr 2019 #191
He doesn't really need to win over Hillary voters in the primary. Ace Rothstein Apr 2019 #130
Wrong. He can't win with just the plurality he got last time. It wasn't enough then pnwmom Apr 2019 #158
If Bernie has the highest delegate count then he should get the nomination. Ace Rothstein Apr 2019 #159
That's not how it works. It won't go to someone who only has 30 or 40% of the delegates pnwmom Apr 2019 #160
"actual Democrats" melman Apr 2019 #167
Actual Democrats don't file as Independents for the Senate in 2024 at the same time pnwmom Apr 2019 #171
But you weren't referring to him melman Apr 2019 #185
Thx.. so true Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #188
That would ensure a Trump victory and tear the party apart. Ace Rothstein Apr 2019 #192
It's looking like a likely possibility. That's why I was grateful that Hillary wasn't running again pnwmom Apr 2019 #193
You keep confusing delegates with voters FBaggins Apr 2019 #202
This is why Superdelegates are necessary LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #214
They certainly helped Clinton lock things up early last time around FBaggins Apr 2019 #215
Not going to get lured into "re-fighting the primary" LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #219
I have no intention of re-fighting anything FBaggins Apr 2019 #222
There is no reason to think that Bernie will. nt pnwmom Apr 2019 #229
I don't think he will either FBaggins Apr 2019 #232
I can't stand Bernie! leftieNanner Apr 2019 #153
This is likely his last chance at the WH, i am sure he will run 3rd party if he doesnt get D Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #226
Well that would suck! leftieNanner Apr 2019 #227
Oh yeah, I am not wrong. Sadly. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2019 #228
A few points TheFarseer Apr 2019 #156
Now he's got a ton of name recognition, and voters have already made up their minds about him, pnwmom Apr 2019 #161
If you said TheFarseer Apr 2019 #179
Some of Bernie voters just didn't like Hillary. There's no telling who they might vote for, pnwmom Apr 2019 #180
Some just didn't like Hillary TheFarseer Apr 2019 #196
If he's the nominee, I will support him... cynatnite Apr 2019 #174
The OP was about the primaries, not the general. n/t pnwmom Apr 2019 #175
I was trying to be polite. :) n/t cynatnite Apr 2019 #178
Does anyone have data that shows how many people Bernie is attracting? Politicub Apr 2019 #203
I agree. The short answer is...no they won't vote for him. Apple Fritter Apr 2019 #216
Polls show Bernie Sanders' popularity among all voters is plummeting Gothmog Apr 2019 #237
There are a large number of real democrats who will not support sanders for that reason Gothmog Apr 2019 #217
k and r nt Stuart G Apr 2019 #231
If we end up with a trump-Sanders election, Bernie will get my vote. Paladin Apr 2019 #235
The Russian effort to target Bernie Sanders supporters in 2016 was more than previously known Gothmog Apr 2019 #240
The Russian push for BS won't be anywhere near as successful this time. SFnomad Apr 2019 #243
i kind of felt yelled at by him during the last election.... samnsara Apr 2019 #249
He won't win PA in the general against Trump and ebbie15644 Apr 2019 #258
Bernie pamdb Apr 2019 #260
a lot of people voted for her due to perceived electablity KayF Apr 2019 #271
From the Hoarse Whisperer Gothmog Apr 2019 #272
Washingont Post-Can Bernie Sanders really win over Trump voters? Gothmog Apr 2019 #275
He won't NastyRiffraff Apr 2019 #292
I doubt that sanders will convert many Clinton voters due to stunts like this Gothmog Apr 2019 #293
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