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Awsi Dooger

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17. Not surprising...I remember pointing this out to Chris Bowers on MyDD in 2006
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 03:40 PM
Feb 2019

Bowers was attempting to push and fund more liberal candidates across the country. I told him that's great in the northeast and far west but otherwise you are not only shrinking margin for error but you're also going against the wishes of the majority of Democrats.

Bowers couldn't accept that at all. He sent me a private message saying I was disrupting the site. Someone like that was so mesmerized by the online community he has no clue it isn't fully representative. I pointed out the consistent polling that indicates Democrats prefer more moderate. As you can see from the chart in the OP, it was 57% in November 2008 and I remember higher numbers earlier than that.

There is jealousy toward the GOP trend. That is the basic aspect of this, back in 2006 and continuing today. We see them nominating more and more from their extreme and we want to follow suit. But it is misguided for two reasons: Republicans want more conservative. Democrats want more moderate. And there are 36% self-identified conservatives compared to 27% liberals in this country, meaning a greater number of our leaners have to be accepting of someone from the edge. Republicans are already at the edge anyway.

I'll continue to point out Andrew Gillum as an unforced error. After that primary I received private messages here and on two other sites. All were from Democrats who were shocked Gillum got the nod and worried that it was a strategic mistake. All of us either lived in Florida or had lived in Florida so the variables were obvious. Then all of us heard the reports about Gillum's poll lead and supposed boost in energy, which might help Bill Nelson also. Okay, we rationalized. Maybe it will be okay. Then the result happened and no it is not okay. Our early handicapping and instincts were correct. We nominated a liberal when the state wanted a moderate. I could have Gwen Graham as my governor right now but I'm stuck with Ron DeSantis.

When I do the ideology tests I score as very liberal but since I'm a math guy and balanced handicapper who doesn't mind going against my own favorites, I generally prefer the more moderate Democrat, other than those very friendly states and districts.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
people like Warren and AOC are moving the Overton Window to the left - and that is good EveHammond13 Feb 2019 #1
exactly why these polls are pointless prredlin Feb 2019 #11
Totally agree workinclasszero Feb 2019 #14
Hmmm... ZZenith Feb 2019 #2
Who said anything about moving to the right? leftofcool Feb 2019 #4
Ugh. ZZenith Feb 2019 #8
Most Democrats are moderate leftofcool Feb 2019 #3
Honestly, I don't think most Americans really understand what liberal is. CrispyQ Feb 2019 #5
I Agree sacto95834 Feb 2019 #64
Terms should be defined, for this 'test' to be useful/meaningful. elleng Feb 2019 #6
Agree, how do we define "moderate" let alone agree upon the definition Devil Child Feb 2019 #22
Thanks elleng Feb 2019 #23
Republican talking points. onecaliberal Feb 2019 #7
A poll is not a talking point Yosemito Feb 2019 #13
A republican poll. onecaliberal Feb 2019 #26
Exactly watoos Feb 2019 #28
This is hard to believe... WordsMatter Feb 2019 #9
To me it means Republican Lite - Been there done that. walkingman Feb 2019 #50
It makes sense if the goal is to defeat Trump at any cost Clash City Rocker Feb 2019 #10
We took the House back via moderate candidates in red or purple districts...A senate Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #12
and most independants want the party to be more liberal floppyboo Feb 2019 #15
I hope for the sake of winning a centrist would choose a progressive VP floppyboo Feb 2019 #16
And vice versa, a liberal candidate should choose a moderate running mate Clash City Rocker Feb 2019 #43
Not surprising...I remember pointing this out to Chris Bowers on MyDD in 2006 Awsi Dooger Feb 2019 #17
Wow. Out of 756 Dem and Dem leaning registered voters they came up with this data. Nanjeanne Feb 2019 #18
Odd that you didn't mention it hurting Harris Bradshaw3 Feb 2019 #19
Elizabeth Warren is a great liberal IMO. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #21
I agree n/t Bradshaw3 Feb 2019 #62
I want to remain the same liberal party that we've been since FDR. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #20
We have a tradition of free K-12 public education. dogman Feb 2019 #25
You are confusing issues where liberal Democrats and Democratic Socialists have policies... CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #29
That is your view of their agenda. dogman Feb 2019 #45
That's as much "selective editing" of the DSA agenda as the doctored DiFi video. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #47
Again, in your view. dogman Feb 2019 #49
We have a choice between Fascism & Socialism. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #53
Was dogman Feb 2019 #56
Always. And forever. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #57
It is not free K-12 public education ... CatMor Feb 2019 #39
Some one must pay? dogman Feb 2019 #48
For what it's worth, here's a study the same organization published in 2014: Garrett78 Feb 2019 #24
A majority of Democrats seem to be getting it wrong forklift Feb 2019 #27
I think we Democrats can manage our own party just fine. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #30
Bang up job since 08' disillusioned73 Feb 2019 #35
You didn't like Barack Obama? I sure did. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #37
Before 2018.. disillusioned73 Feb 2019 #46
Loved Obama, wish he was still here. leftofcool Feb 2019 #54
That's political worship. We lost thousands upon thousands of seats nationwide from 2008-2016. MadDAsHell Feb 2019 #63
Well said watoos Feb 2019 #33
Thank but no. leftofcool Feb 2019 #51
Not this Democrat. Mr. Smith Feb 2019 #31
It's a poll from Pew watoos Feb 2019 #32
You think "moderate" Democrats want to privatize SS and gut Medicare and Medicaid? CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #38
I know they don't want to expand watoos Feb 2019 #42
You just said that moderate Democrats want to privatize SS and gut Medicare and Medicaid. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #44
That's my definition of a moderate Democrat watoos Feb 2019 #55
Really? leftofcool Feb 2019 #52
President Obama was a moderate right? watoos Feb 2019 #59
Instead of alerting on your post which is what should be done, I decided to block you instead leftofcool Feb 2019 #60
Ugh... disillusioned73 Feb 2019 #34
I think this is a simple, dumb poll on huge complex issues.. LakeArenal Feb 2019 #36
Pew has to be respected, but "more moderate" OR Hortensis Feb 2019 #40
... Scurrilous Feb 2019 #41
Hillary WAS moderate. Freethinker65 Feb 2019 #58
It's just one poll. I feel things are the opposite mvd Feb 2019 #61
I agree with this poll Gothmog Mar 2019 #65
Except that labels have been politicalized Tom Rinaldo Mar 2019 #66
The great middle GatoGordo Mar 2019 #67
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