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patphil

(9,136 posts)
50. Yes, he's running within the Democratic establishment structure as a non-Democrat.
Thu Mar 5, 2020, 03:06 PM
Mar 2020

That's what I see as his ultimate limiting factor. He wants to revolutionize the Democratic Party, but hasn't seen fit to join it.
That's why I feel he should drop this whole anti-establishment crap.
The gains he gets from the far-left are outweighed by what he loses from the traditional Democrats in the middle, including most of the black community.
Bernie is polarizing the party with an us vs them message.
A party he doesn't even belong to.
It's fine to be an independent, but then what is he doing in our primaries?
Come on Bernie!
Declare yourself a Democrat and open up your tent to include all Democrats, not just the far-left.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden

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This! Thekaspervote Mar 2020 #1
would I use him and his good name in my ad if he was? hmmm nt msongs Mar 2020 #2
Pete is part of the establishment, but Obama isn't? TwilightZone Mar 2020 #3
LOL relayerbob Mar 2020 #33
wow, then Biden is not either AlexSFCA Mar 2020 #4
Well, BS has been in Congress for decades.... dawg day Mar 2020 #35
So by that logic.. Neither is Biden.. you Cha Mar 2020 #5
I guess Bernie gets to define "the Democratic Establishment" The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #6
He should be asked for a list of examples every time he says it. TwilightZone Mar 2020 #8
This Ferrets are Cool Mar 2020 #15
Sounds good relayerbob Mar 2020 #32
Well said. It's his typical sweeping statements, and NO ONE challenges him on it. OnDoutside Mar 2020 #45
Lol...it's a very fluid establishment! DrToast Mar 2020 #9
+1, uponit7771 Mar 2020 #20
Ding, ding, ding...correct. nt iluvtennis Mar 2020 #21
The "establishment" is a figment of someone's imagination. George II Mar 2020 #7
Did he think Obama was establishment when he wanted him primaried mcar Mar 2020 #10
Ok, that's funny. yardwork Mar 2020 #11
+1 William769 Mar 2020 #14
And his supporters wanted THIS talktalker instead of a DOer. blm Mar 2020 #12
Bernie and Barack - like Thelma and Louise, just two outsiders taking on "the Man" AGeddy Mar 2020 #13
Obama is not the establishment but his VP is? showblue22 Mar 2020 #16
Bernie is about 2 days away from blaming everything on George Soros AGeddy Mar 2020 #17
Hahahahahahah relayerbob Mar 2020 #31
I think the Super Tuesday results rattled him. madaboutharry Mar 2020 #18
Well, that's what you have to say when you are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Vivienne235729 Mar 2020 #19
i dont know about others, but i have had enough of alternate realities. mopinko Mar 2020 #22
How does he maintain 13% on this site saying such things? docgee Mar 2020 #23
The problem is that Bernie is running against the Democratic Establishment... patphil Mar 2020 #24
He's running inside the Democratic establishment structure frazzled Mar 2020 #29
Yes, he's running within the Democratic establishment structure as a non-Democrat. patphil Mar 2020 #50
"Establishment" Mme. Defarge Mar 2020 #25
I was about to post the same thing wnylib Mar 2020 #40
He doesn't seem to have outgrown them. Mme. Defarge Mar 2020 #46
Yes, like he's still living his college wnylib Mar 2020 #49
Hasn't Bernie been in a government job for like 50 years? Oh I forgot doc03 Mar 2020 #26
He has no shame. nt LexVegas Mar 2020 #27
NFW!!! relayerbob Mar 2020 #28
He's running a bunch of Obama suckup ads in Florida... Historic NY Mar 2020 #30
ok, that's freaking me out a little relayerbob Mar 2020 #38
Is Sanders trying to appeal to more wnylib Mar 2020 #43
I would bet dollars to donuts his supporters would answer that yes.. honest.abe Mar 2020 #34
Ouch. C Moon Mar 2020 #36
Obama's so out of the loop relayerbob Mar 2020 #37
This is the same kind of cognitive dissonance BootinUp Mar 2020 #39
Tactically this is both smart and not so smart HarlanPepper Mar 2020 #41
You just expressed my thoughts wnylib Mar 2020 #44
So I go to the bottom of responses and say that Bernie has more to do with FDR than most. rusty quoin Mar 2020 #42
Sanders doesn't get to define who any establishment is so the last sentence makes no sense. uponit7771 Mar 2020 #47
Making up one's own definition is not "fact", it's creative, it's imaginative, it's hip... LanternWaste Mar 2020 #48
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