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Don1

(1,652 posts)
Thu Apr 2, 2020, 10:50 PM Apr 2020

Hypothetical: If Sanders dies of coronavirus, what should happen to the primary? [View all]

I know this is terrible. BUT Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders, and Joe Biden all have slightly increased risk of death of coronavirus due to age...and not to mention how Donald Trump is handling the pandemic. If Donald Trump dies, it's clear that Mike Pence becomes President and would move forward running. And there is already a thread asking about the situation if Biden died.

So now I am going to ask what happens if Sanders dies. This is more likely than a scenario where Biden might die because of Sanders' health. People with heart disease have a greater risk of serious outcomes during the coronavirus outbreak. This hypothetical also has a lot of similarity to a scenario where Sanders just up and concedes. BUT there are also some significant differences, primarily because ending the primary run would not have been voluntary.

Question#1: For Bernie Sanders supporters (and any Undecideds who wish to answer) only: will you support Joe Biden in the general election? and just throw support to him generally speaking?

Personally, I will support him 100% with the exception of some nuances as discussed below that really are not related to Electoral politics except indirectly. (I will support him but I might not support preempting the primary without proportional representation.)

Go Democrats!

Question#2: For Joe Biden supporters (and any Undecideds who with to answer) only: Given that the primary is actually about more than just electoral politics, it's also about getting delegates to democratically influence the Party Platform and the DNC staff, how would you guarantee continued democracy, i.e. proportionally representation of progressive Democrats at the National Convention if Bernie Sanders died?

This question is a bit complex and relies on an understanding of exactly what delegates and the convention entail and while I've made mention of it before, there seems to be a huge focus on Bernie Sanders as a person, attacking him as a narcissist, and not properly addressing the needs of democracy. I don't know how well I am explaining this so let me repeat it in another way.

Bernie Sanders is a nice guy. Joe Biden is a nice guy. It would be terrible if either of them died. Bernie Sanders is still just a person, but he currently is representing something bigger than himself. He is the current representative of the progressive side of the Democratic Party and Joe Biden is the current representative of the moderate side, even though Joe is also somewhat progressive. Many Democrats are voting ideologically along this sort-of line and some are not, but still many are. The delegates for Bernie that he would hypothetically receive will tend to a much greater extent to be progressive and the delegates for Joe will tend to be less so, more moderate. Now if the population in the Democratic Party is 40% progressive and 60% moderate and Bernie were to quit immediately, the ideological population of delegates at the convention would be more like 25% progressive and 75% moderate.

This would create a situation where moderates would have undue influence over the platform and other decisions of the body. It would be less fair than if Bernie were to continue up to the time of the convention where actual proportional representation of progressives could be achieved or approximately so.

So my question again is how will Biden supporters guarantee no ideological group (in this case moderates) would have undue influence in the Party if Bernie Sanders were to die?

Go Democracy!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Weekend at Bernies 3? n/t brewens Apr 2020 #1
ROFL Sloumeau Apr 2020 #35
This Is Getting Awfully Silly, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #2
I was thinking more along the lines of... TwilightZone Apr 2020 #8
You May Notice The Edit, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #13
I was referencing... TwilightZone Apr 2020 #16
I'll bite, it will be sad and tragic and then what will happen is what was going to happen... Thomas Hurt Apr 2020 #3
Pure bullshit SCantiGOP Apr 2020 #4
Actually from my sampling of the Bernie supporters I have met Mr.Bill Apr 2020 #5
Pretty much the same here. n/t nolawarlock Apr 2020 #73
I think some people believe Bernie has more influence in this election than he actually does. n/t zackymilly Apr 2020 #6
Sanders is irrelevant. He has lost. The primary is over. Regardless of Sanders present actions. LizBeth Apr 2020 #7
More important: Would Jane have to mow all 3 lawns by herself? n/t zackymilly Apr 2020 #9
It's not the amount of houses that counts Polybius Apr 2020 #18
bernie is always criticizing other people who have loads of money lol msongs Apr 2020 #21
Besides Mayor Pete and possibly Tulsi, everyone running had more than him Polybius Apr 2020 #22
Tell that to a homeless guy living in his car. LakeArenal Apr 2020 #24
Sure, that's awful but what is Bernie supposed to do? Polybius Apr 2020 #26
He won't be president because he lost the primary. And his policies would only help if he won the Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #34
Obviously Polybius Apr 2020 #39
He has never attracted AA voters...he had four years to remedy this...and yet apparently a plan was Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #47
Geezus. No Bernie should not sell his house. LakeArenal Apr 2020 #37
zackymilly started it Polybius Apr 2020 #40
You asked me what's he supposed to do. You. LakeArenal Apr 2020 #56
And I'll still ask Polybius Apr 2020 #63
Mayor Pete is not as wealthy as Sanders is... Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #36
Um, no kidding, I just said that Polybius Apr 2020 #41
My mistake. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #45
$600,000 True Blue American Apr 2020 #43
Sing it!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2020 #28
Biden wasn't that wealthy when he was in the Senate or Vice President. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #38
Are you for real? ahoysrcsm Apr 2020 #64
Real as they get Polybius Apr 2020 #68
The primary has been over for a while and so this will make little difference Gothmog Apr 2020 #10
The primary isn't over. Don1 Apr 2020 #12
In the real world the primary is over Gothmog Apr 2020 #14
The race is over. Sanders has literally a 0% chance of winning the nomination. TwilightZone Apr 2020 #17
No primary goes all the way to the convention...it is over. Mathematically Sanders can't win. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #30
You won't get an answer... don't have one. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2020 #31
He got three answers. TwilightZone Apr 2020 #33
I did not get any good answers. Don1 Apr 2020 #42
If you seek agreement, I fear you will have to answer yourself. JK Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #48
In case you get hungry while you're waiting. lapucelle Apr 2020 #53
True dat!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2020 #55
You don't want answers. TwilightZone Apr 2020 #61
You Got Answers You Do Not Want To Engage, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #66
This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Apr 2020 #79
Even though Sanders is at risk... Dopers_Greed Apr 2020 #11
sanders faces a far higher risk due to his heart attack Gothmog Apr 2020 #15
Bazinga! NurseJackie Apr 2020 #19
He should suspend his campaign for a week? ucrdem Apr 2020 #20
That's terrible. Don1 Apr 2020 #25
Biden has moved on to the general election Gothmog Apr 2020 #46
True but he still has his little pile of brickbats ucrdem Apr 2020 #59
He might actually drop out in that event treestar Apr 2020 #83
Something like that would be inevitable. ucrdem Apr 2020 #84
Governor Cuomo becomes President! That woman from Michigan becomes VP! OverBurn Apr 2020 #23
"That woman" you mean Governor Gretchen Whitmer? LakeArenal Apr 2020 #29
That woman True Blue American Apr 2020 #44
You offer a false premise with hypothetical numbers. In order to have influence,you must win. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #27
Nah. Just a daisy-chain of the same bs. LakeArenal Apr 2020 #32
Exactly and lets face it...platforms are pretty much meaningless in my opinion these days. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #49
For me... Just beat trump. LakeArenal Apr 2020 #57
Only the Russians believe a US President would necessarily consider the party platform as canon. Marcuse Apr 2020 #50
That is very true which is why they wanted Trump to change the GOP platform. And he did. Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #51
You Are Using This To Trot Out Your Old Proposal, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2020 #52
What the actual fuck? I just googled this shit, it's a great way to answer...questions ismnotwasm Apr 2020 #54
Did you just find another Don the con? William769 Apr 2020 #58
Apparently ismnotwasm Apr 2020 #60
What should happen to the Primary? That's your question. MineralMan Apr 2020 #62
If anything, you should self delete. ahoysrcsm Apr 2020 #65
The primaries should still take place, if possible. Blue_true Apr 2020 #67
Another dark, macabre and morbid post la-trucker Apr 2020 #69
what a circlejerk mikelgb Apr 2020 #70
Knock it the fuck off. nt Codeine Apr 2020 #71
Turn it into a party? n/t nolawarlock Apr 2020 #72
Just stop this nonsense. You've received many substantive answers to your Vulture Posts... Hekate Apr 2020 #74
Hear Hear, Ma'am The Magistrate Apr 2020 #75
No not really. Don1 Apr 2020 #76
Stop this nonsense was the best answer you deserve. MrsCoffee Apr 2020 #80
No it isn't. Don1 Apr 2020 #81
Well... Mike Nelson Apr 2020 #77
Many would be sad. But it would make no political difference. Squinch Apr 2020 #78
As I said in the mirror thread, treestar Apr 2020 #82
Democrats have a socially distanced funeral ceremony, and a Hortensis Apr 2020 #85
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