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mr_lebowski

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81. I completely understand your point, Jackie. But we're arguing 2 separate things ...

Sun Apr 21, 2019, 02:59 PM

Apr 2019

Probably THE most obvious angles Russia could've taken (to help Trump) were:
1) Convince Bernie supporters their guy got f***ed by Hillary (as evidenced by the DNC drops on Wikileaks, plus massive BS social media propaganda), and
2) Convince Hillary supporters Bernie's people were acting like a buncha spoil-sport children who didn't get their way, and hope they treat Bernie supporters poorly because of it.

Goal being, put them at odds with other, get Bernie voters to NOT show up to vote for Hillary. Both 1, and 2 ... help accomplish that.

Now, you may've completely came up with 2) all on your own, just cause that's how you think. But it doesn't mean they didn't TRY with other Hillary supporters, doesn't mean it doesn't make perfect sense as an 'angle' if you're trying to manipulate.

And if a Hillary supporter DID go about their business in Aug-Nov 2016 ... doing what Russia were hoping, regardless of whether they came up with that idea entirely on their own or not ... did they really 'win' in any sense?

I would ask them if 'being in the right' ... was really worth it?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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I was manipulated by the Russians, and we must assume everyone was. [View all] Neoma Apr 2019 OP

I haven't seen any evidence that HRC's supporters were manipulated/targeted by the Russian lapucelle Apr 2019 #1

I found the Mueller report on the CNN site. Neoma Apr 2019 #3

So did I. There's no evidence in the report that Clinton supporters were targeted by disinformation. lapucelle Apr 2019 #7

Who says it was by disinformation? Neoma Apr 2019 #10

Oh brother! NurseJackie Apr 2019 #12

They worked on existing divisions. Neoma Apr 2019 #15

Bernie's supporters are responsible for their own decisions and emotions... NurseJackie Apr 2019 #29

Okay whatever. This discussion divides. Neoma Apr 2019 #31

Here's what I'm 100% sure of: People who behave in an immature way are the ones who are most likely... NurseJackie Apr 2019 #37

I honestly didn't get involved in a lot of the infighting that happened here. Neoma Apr 2019 #38

... they're also who are equally likely to want to blame others (like "Russian Interference"... progressoid Apr 2019 #110

... NurseJackie Apr 2019 #114

Gee, I don't think you should laugh at Senator Clinton. progressoid Apr 2019 #118

... NurseJackie Apr 2019 #121

"Senator Mark Warner summed it up well: 'The Russians employed thousands of paid internet trolls betsuni Apr 2019 #123

+1000. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #129

Well, there you go, NJ ... that's how RU would want you to feel and think ... Naoma's point I think. mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #36

LOL! NurseJackie Apr 2019 #40

Laugh all you want ... people who MOST think they're too smart to be manipulated by propaganda mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #53

I'm perfectly capable of rejecting someone's bad behavior without being told by Russia to do so. NurseJackie Apr 2019 #65

I completely understand your point, Jackie. But we're arguing 2 separate things ... mr_lebowski Apr 2019 #81

Everyone is responsible for their own decisions and emotions. better Apr 2019 #85

can assure you that my standards of what passes for acceptable behavior were in place and well... NurseJackie Apr 2019 #99

That was a well thought out post, Nurse Jackie! True Blue American Apr 2019 #102

Thanks. NurseJackie Apr 2019 #109

No. The best way, and what happened, was for Russian trolls mcar Apr 2019 #55

True. That probably did happen! Neoma Apr 2019 #56

What were they, children, or intelligent and mature adults who wanted what was best for the country? lunamagica Apr 2019 #119

The entire premise is just more woe about 2016 BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #19

Yes, that was sad. Neoma Apr 2019 #26

Yes, the general election outcome was sad BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #32

Ok? Neoma Apr 2019 #33

Oh I'm not saying you do BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #35

I just want people to be careful this next election. Neoma Apr 2019 #41

Exactly. Yes. Thank you! NurseJackie Apr 2019 #30

Why did you read political posts on Facebook? I didn't. brooklynite Apr 2019 #104

That didn't happen to me. I stay away from social media. And that didn't happen in the GE campaign. lapucelle Apr 2019 #16

You're on this -online- political forum. Neoma Apr 2019 #21

There are administrators here, and it's not where I get my news. lapucelle Apr 2019 #72

Give me a frigging break! We supported Hillary we didn't push against Bernie supporters. At DU wasupaloopa Apr 2019 #94

Everyone was targeted with disinformation. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #39

Yes. And the ones that were less insane but equally untrue ... MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #83

And add the Seth Rich Conspiracy. We now know it was based on one of Assange's many lies. JHan Apr 2019 #117

Absolutely! The worst of the worst MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #127

I do remember back during artislife Apr 2019 #24

Trump's campaign seemed to know. Neoma Apr 2019 #43

Not sure what I'm supposed to be looking at here. lapucelle Apr 2019 #45

First link is to Wiki artislife Apr 2019 #54

Is there a point to this? lapucelle Apr 2019 #57

Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #60

I get it...you see some kind of apocryphal nefarious connection lapucelle Apr 2019 #69

Post removed Post removed Apr 2019 #70

Another white flag of surrender, eh? BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #100

We weren't. Hillary warned us and we accpeted that warning. leftofcool Apr 2019 #49

Just because you were sucessfully manipulated doesn't mean all of us were comradebillyboy Apr 2019 #2

Uh huh. Neoma Apr 2019 #8

Both sides, eh? comradebillyboy Apr 2019 #9

Ensuring that Clinton supporters were openly and continually hostile toward Sanders supporters Bettie Apr 2019 #22

And it's still ongoing Lazy Daisy Apr 2019 #115

So that's what the OP is REALLY about. BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #13

It's really a warning and a call to unify. Neoma Apr 2019 #14

Correct. Unify. Sa positive things about YOUR candidate. sharedvalues Apr 2019 #17

My Candidate in 2016 was Bernie Sanders. Was. Neoma Apr 2019 #18

Right, so say good things about the candidates you like today! sharedvalues Apr 2019 #23

I'm unsure. Neoma Apr 2019 #25

"Just because you were sucessfully manipulated doesn't mean all of us were." LenaBaby61 Apr 2019 #34

And just because we weren't successfully manipulated last time doesn't mean we can't be this time. better Apr 2019 #96

Thank you. Neoma Apr 2019 #111

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Apr 2019 #101

I was manipulated by no one. CentralMass Apr 2019 #4

Good, common sense post. Especially about slowing down - don't feed the beast. Thank you. yonder Apr 2019 #5

What exactly (memes, videos, or articles) manipulated you? aikoaiko Apr 2019 #6

That's exactly how Russian propaganda works. marylandblue Apr 2019 #11

Right, but people are acting like the divisions didn't exist a priori... aikoaiko Apr 2019 #20

Well I agree with you there. We don't know what would have happened without the Russians marylandblue Apr 2019 #89

that's why the russians got trump to study talk radio in 2014 and their trolling ops certainot Apr 2019 #84

That's a GREAT response. better Apr 2019 #98

Unfortunately I cannot undelete my account to show you. Neoma Apr 2019 #58

This was obvious to some of us. Cary Apr 2019 #27

Thanks for this. Good advice given, imo. And these things bring out the usual suspects. Always theophilus Apr 2019 #28

I was not manipulated and I don't believe most Hillary voters were. nt Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #42

Ok. Neoma Apr 2019 #47

Why do you think I need to take precautions? leftofcool Apr 2019 #52

I don't need to take precautions. I'm a black, female, senior citizen.. Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #67

The Russians infiltrated black lives matters. Neoma Apr 2019 #68

I know they did. But they didn't get to me. 94% of black female voters voted for HRC. Kahuna7 Apr 2019 #71

I was not manipulated by Russians, and there are many more on DU who weren't, either. ehrnst Apr 2019 #44

Okay! Neoma Apr 2019 #46

Resistance to Active Measures and Propaganda: "The Disruptors" - Motto: "Think For Yourself" Celerity Apr 2019 #112

Good stuff. Neoma Apr 2019 #113

Yes, the same ones that worked for me before. ehrnst Apr 2019 #125

Thank you. Neoma Apr 2019 #126

Thanks. Good info The Mouth Apr 2019 #133

Twilight Zone's The Monsters are Due on Maple Street andym Apr 2019 #48

yes. the space between stimuli and response is where true freedom and wisdom lie prodigitalson Apr 2019 #50

#2 & #7 Hell Yes! Agschmid Apr 2019 #51

Youtube videos were the worst sort of manipulation. Neoma Apr 2019 #61

Great rules for voters because those who did this last time weren't fooled. Hortensis Apr 2019 #59

You tried artislife Apr 2019 #62

Is there? Neoma Apr 2019 #64

Gird your loins. nt artislife Apr 2019 #66

Good advice for any voter, a welcome post! marble falls Apr 2019 #63

Russia sure as hell doesn't want impeachment--remember that Ponietz Apr 2019 #73

Yes, that is a good point. Neoma Apr 2019 #92

Good post MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #74

It's easier to con someone sop Apr 2019 #77

And now I'm fully realizing that. Neoma Apr 2019 #79

Very true! MaryMagdaline Apr 2019 #86

The Russians call it "Reflexive Control" sop Apr 2019 #122

Not everyone was manipulated. Everyone saw information designed MineralMan Apr 2019 #75

Thanks for this. Gore1FL Apr 2019 #76

Yes, part of my point was to heal from 2016 or get manipulated by those old wounds. Neoma Apr 2019 #78

!!! nt artislife Apr 2019 #88

I don't see how deleting Facebook or Twitter helps. Awareness is what's important. pnwmom Apr 2019 #80

There was more than one reason. Neoma Apr 2019 #82

knr Baltimike Apr 2019 #87

I voted for Bernie in the primary and Hillary in November. It was easy. Marcuse Apr 2019 #90

Good, good. Neoma Apr 2019 #91

geez!! Locrian Apr 2019 #93

I take your comments as a cautionary tale peggysue2 Apr 2019 #95

Certainly if you took these precautions before, there was some immunity. Neoma Apr 2019 #97

I don't think there's any question that some reporters within the MSM were influenced . . . peggysue2 Apr 2019 #105

Did they really all act that way? Neoma Apr 2019 #106

I check in on this board multiple times a day but I also . . . peggysue2 Apr 2019 #107

? I said if I was one. Neoma Apr 2019 #108

I am 100% positive that I was not manipulated. nt BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #103

I noticed the fake news starting after the Snowden incident. betsuni Apr 2019 #116

I supported Hillary but would have glady voted and supported Bernie had he won the nomination. Kaleva Apr 2019 #120

Every day duforsure Apr 2019 #124

Why should we assume everyone was when the manipulation was targeted? WeekiWater Apr 2019 #128

Good question, WeekiWater peggysue2 Apr 2019 #132

I understand OP Apple Fritter Apr 2019 #130

Yes, you make a good point there. Neoma Apr 2019 #131