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Congratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
Democratic Primaries
In reply to the discussion: I was manipulated by the Russians, and we must assume everyone was. [View all]NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)99. can assure you that my standards of what passes for acceptable behavior were in place and well...
It does not follow, however, that anyone reaches their own decisions and emotions without being subject to external influence, or that they will even be aware that/when they are manipulated.
I can assure you that my standards of what passes for acceptable behavior were in place and well established long before anyone ever thought of trying to excuse themselves by characterizing my disapproval as being the result of "Russian manipulation".
Is your disdain of the idea of welcoming Bernie supporters with open arms beneficial,
Again, I can tell you with great certainty that it's not my responsibility to validate anyone who's imagines that they have been "personally" wronged because their candidate loses an election. Mature and rational people don't need my validation. They can validate themselves, or look elsewhere.
There's a palpable sense of "fuck them" in your response here.
Maybe. And if there is, so what? If there's any manipulating being done here, it's NOT by the Russians.
what we could to bring them into the fold worthwhile?
What we "could" do and what they actually want are two different things entirely. I'm not going to play that game. People generally don't respond well to blackmail and threats. They'll either come around or they won't. Their choice, not mine.
All I'm trying to say is that compared to all the effort and concessions that are needed to convince a mere handful of butthurt voters, we could spend HALF as much time and NO concessions and get a ROOM FULL of voters. I just don't think it's a very smart use of our resources (human and otherwise) to spend an inordinate effort to try and attract one or two unreliable voters.
I believe that the bitter and resentful and vengeful voters that are harangued into tepidly supporting the party are not as valuable to us as the ones who are EXCITED and ENERGIZED about supporting Democrats. Those are the ones who donate, who volunteer, and who "spread the gospel". Those are the voters that I want on my team... not the malcontents who may (or may not) follow through anyway.
PS: And anyone who disagrees with me is probably being influenced and manipulated by the Russians.
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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I haven't seen any evidence that HRC's supporters were manipulated/targeted by the Russian
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#1
So did I. There's no evidence in the report that Clinton supporters were targeted by disinformation.
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#7
Bernie's supporters are responsible for their own decisions and emotions...
NurseJackie
Apr 2019
#29
Here's what I'm 100% sure of: People who behave in an immature way are the ones who are most likely...
NurseJackie
Apr 2019
#37
... they're also who are equally likely to want to blame others (like "Russian Interference"...
progressoid
Apr 2019
#110
"Senator Mark Warner summed it up well: 'The Russians employed thousands of paid internet trolls
betsuni
Apr 2019
#123
Well, there you go, NJ ... that's how RU would want you to feel and think ... Naoma's point I think.
mr_lebowski
Apr 2019
#36
Laugh all you want ... people who MOST think they're too smart to be manipulated by propaganda
mr_lebowski
Apr 2019
#53
I'm perfectly capable of rejecting someone's bad behavior without being told by Russia to do so.
NurseJackie
Apr 2019
#65
I completely understand your point, Jackie. But we're arguing 2 separate things ...
mr_lebowski
Apr 2019
#81
can assure you that my standards of what passes for acceptable behavior were in place and well...
NurseJackie
Apr 2019
#99
What were they, children, or intelligent and mature adults who wanted what was best for the country?
lunamagica
Apr 2019
#119
That didn't happen to me. I stay away from social media. And that didn't happen in the GE campaign.
lapucelle
Apr 2019
#16
Give me a frigging break! We supported Hillary we didn't push against Bernie supporters. At DU
wasupaloopa
Apr 2019
#94
And add the Seth Rich Conspiracy. We now know it was based on one of Assange's many lies.
JHan
Apr 2019
#117
Just because you were sucessfully manipulated doesn't mean all of us were
comradebillyboy
Apr 2019
#2
Ensuring that Clinton supporters were openly and continually hostile toward Sanders supporters
Bettie
Apr 2019
#22
"Just because you were sucessfully manipulated doesn't mean all of us were."
LenaBaby61
Apr 2019
#34
And just because we weren't successfully manipulated last time doesn't mean we can't be this time.
better
Apr 2019
#96
Good, common sense post. Especially about slowing down - don't feed the beast. Thank you.
yonder
Apr 2019
#5
Well I agree with you there. We don't know what would have happened without the Russians
marylandblue
Apr 2019
#89
that's why the russians got trump to study talk radio in 2014 and their trolling ops
certainot
Apr 2019
#84
Thanks for this. Good advice given, imo. And these things bring out the usual suspects. Always
theophilus
Apr 2019
#28
I know they did. But they didn't get to me. 94% of black female voters voted for HRC.
Kahuna7
Apr 2019
#71
I was not manipulated by Russians, and there are many more on DU who weren't, either.
ehrnst
Apr 2019
#44
Resistance to Active Measures and Propaganda: "The Disruptors" - Motto: "Think For Yourself"
Celerity
Apr 2019
#112
yes. the space between stimuli and response is where true freedom and wisdom lie
prodigitalson
Apr 2019
#50
Yes, part of my point was to heal from 2016 or get manipulated by those old wounds.
Neoma
Apr 2019
#78
I don't see how deleting Facebook or Twitter helps. Awareness is what's important.
pnwmom
Apr 2019
#80
I don't think there's any question that some reporters within the MSM were influenced . . .
peggysue2
Apr 2019
#105