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WhiskeyGrinder

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25. What dangers does voting by incarcerated people present?

Reply to LongtimeAZDem (Reply #17)

Tue Apr 23, 2019, 10:18 AM

Apr 2019

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Should I be kicked out of the Club For Progressives? [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 OP

You're safely on the side of the majority, so rest easy, I guess? WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #1

Of course felons who served their time should have their rights restored DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #3

Charles Manson did not lose his citizenship when he was incarcerated. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #6

Of course he didn't lose his US 'citizenship' SharonClark Apr 2019 #9

No, but we don't let him exercise Second Amendment rights, either LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #17

What dangers does voting by incarcerated people present? WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #25

The same dangers presented by all voting. Elections have consequences. LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #26

You're right. We should do away with voting entirely. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #28

That tactic is unbecoming. I'll leave you to it. LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #29

Dang, I thought we were getting somewhere. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2019 #33

Hahaha... like your sense of humor!! (Wish some had more of it.) InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #44

I have a freiend who went to the hoosegow for stealing a leather jacket. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #30

I disagree with that outcome, but it is a different discussion than this one LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #35

He found a well paying job in loss protection. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #39

The Willie Horton ads write themselves. crazytown Apr 2019 #2

They would use this with great effect in 2020 BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #77

Your progressive membership is in good standing. WeekiWater Apr 2019 #4

Vermont allows inmates to vote in jail JonLP24 Apr 2019 #5

Sure...but Vermont sends people to prison in southern states ...private prison hell holes...so I Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #13

I support voting rights for everyone JonLP24 Apr 2019 #15

Not in prison...after release and for non-violent folks. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #27

Tim Wise broke down the history of disenfranchisement JonLP24 Apr 2019 #37

ACLU JonLP24 Apr 2019 #81

The only reason this is an issue is because Sander said it...and making people of color Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #82

I tried to explain to you the roots of felony disenfranchisement is rooted in White Supremacy JonLP24 Apr 2019 #84

People who didn't own property were not allowed to vote back in the day, Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #86

I'm just explaining the history to you JonLP24 Apr 2019 #88

Thank you for the explanation...I was aware of some of that. But the most pressing issues for Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #87

Sure Bernie said it so it must be supported. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #32

I think it is the other way around JonLP24 Apr 2019 #36

I have seen Sanders supporters support Hugh Melllo.... a candidate that sponsored a Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #49

Tell that to Kamala... and she was in the criminal prosecution business. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #46

Should I be worried about the fact DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #18

I have a problem with mass incarceration and racial disparities in the criminal justice system JonLP24 Apr 2019 #21

I would take away the right to vote DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #22

I agree. cwydro Apr 2019 #69

re: "I would be willing to look at each case on an individual basis." thesquanderer Apr 2019 #72

As a general rule if you commit a capital offense DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #76

Interesting stat on Vermont-what is the state doing to delisen Apr 2019 #52

According to another poster they ship some of their prisoners to the Deep South. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #57

I think you should look more into how well run Vermont is. Remember, they ship hundreds... George II Apr 2019 #20

They ship black prisoners to the Deep South? DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #24

Yes, there are prisoners from Vermont currently being housed in 13 prisons outside of Vermont... George II Apr 2019 #31

Seem like disproportionate punishment. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #34

as of 2016, there're 1509 (1229 in prison, the rest jail) inmates under custody in Vermont (non Fed) Celerity Apr 2019 #43

So if their prisoners are in Mississippi radical noodle Apr 2019 #85

Incarceration is the removal of a person from society and consequently, the loss of civic rights. Firestorm49 Apr 2019 #7

Do you favor taking away inmates' 1st amendment rights as well? (n/t) thesquanderer Apr 2019 #63

This thread isn't about first amendment t rights BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #65

The thread is about doing away with an inmate's rights. What's the difference? thesquanderer Apr 2019 #67

No, just the voting rights. BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #68

On what basis is this right less protectable than the others? (n/t) thesquanderer Apr 2019 #70

It Varies by state so you'd get a bunch of different answers BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #73

I don't see the relationship between "severity" and "right to vote" thesquanderer Apr 2019 #75

Of course there will be disagreements. David__77 Apr 2019 #8

So we still let them end up in jail only now they get to vote? Sorry not feeling the Bern...I will Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #12

I don't know that this need be about Sanders. David__77 Apr 2019 #16

The condition of our prisons are a national disgrace. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #23

It is about Sanders. He was the one who proposed it, not Harris. George II Apr 2019 #51

Yes, it is a different position. David__77 Apr 2019 #55

Your quote is wrong. thesquanderer Apr 2019 #64

Seems we're mixing apples and oranges. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #19

I am against incarcerated folks who have been convicted voting Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #10

Even misdemeanor jail inmates? David__77 Apr 2019 #14

For the most part people who are jailed for misdemeanors only serve a month or two, most states.... George II Apr 2019 #42

I think it's great that people here can air their views and disagreements! David__77 Apr 2019 #47

re: "I don't believe people who are convicted of a crime and jailed should have the right to vote." thesquanderer Apr 2019 #66

Yes.after their debt to society is paid than they vote. By the way were you aware Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #50

Thanks for sharing your view. David__77 Apr 2019 #53

Maybe the discussion should start with allowing ex-felons who have served their time SharonClark Apr 2019 #11

Elections are a state matter. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #38

So one state could set the voting age at 30, or require you to show that your mom was white? rgbecker Apr 2019 #89

Yeah states can do what rhea choose. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #90

A question without a perfect answer, but I believe Hortensis Apr 2019 #40

Do we all get to add crimes to the list or only you? dsc Apr 2019 #41

We do it all the time. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #45

It should be noted that the only grounds to lose voting after serving time used to be bribery dsc Apr 2019 #48

As a practical matter most felons should have their rights restored with the emphasis on most. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #56

+1 LongtimeAZDem Apr 2019 #58

The law distinguishes between felonies and capital offenses. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #59

and if you don't then you get everyone lobbying for his or her crime to be included in the list of dsc Apr 2019 #61

The law shouldn't be affected by the weather but it inevitably will be influenced by the climate. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #74

K&R stonecutter357 Apr 2019 #54

GOP would add anyone who looks like or shares a name with felons, for voter suppression IronLionZion Apr 2019 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Apr 2019 #79

Right there with you on that! Peacetrain Apr 2019 #62

The Root Of The Problem Is Our Constitutional Rights corbettkroehler Apr 2019 #71

I/ We're talking about the worst of the worst, not your garden variety offender, who should have his DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #78

Trump and the Russians are... Mike Nelson Apr 2019 #80

I share that view. nt Blue_true Apr 2019 #83