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Two found guilty of "seditious conspiracy" - what does it mean?

How far does the conspiracy go?

Does it stop with Rhodes and Meggs?

Do they have any evidence that it might go higher?

It is certainly the most serious verdicts thus far in the attack upon our Capitol. There are still several lesser "leaders" that have yet to be tried. They cannot feel too secure today.

What do the guilty verdicts have in the bigger picture?

They were not "patriots". They were "traitors". They were all found guilty of obstruction.

One would have to think that this would make further charges on those that concocted and inspired the conspiracy much more likely?

Today there is a lot of progress.

Trump admits to taking the documents but says he did so more "openly and transparently"...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-brags-openly-transparently-took-221058006.html

(snip)
Former President Donald Trump boasted on Monday about how he "openly and transparently" moved government records from the White House to Mar-a-Lago upon leaving office.

"...When will you invade Bill and Hillary's home in search of the 33,000 emails she deleted AFTER receiving a subpoena from the U.S. Congress?" Trump wrote on his social media website, Truth Social. "When will you invade the other Presidents' homes in search of documents, which are voluminous, which they took with them, but not nearly so openly and transparently as I did?"

Redbird

Is there a difference between "former president" and "ex-president"?

Why do not people use "ex-president" more?

It seems to denote a formality to a finality, when a presidency is over.

Just my opinion...

There is a war going on between the two extremes in this country. Both are sure the other side is wrong.

In my opinion, the vast population is closer to the middle and would be the majority over either extreme.

And, in an election, the candidate from the vast middle majority would likely win the election.

Just my opinion.

If the Committee does not send a criminal referral to the DOJ...?

It will not be sent because of Liz Cheney. She wants a criminal referral sent because she understands, "but for" the actions of Donald Trump, none of the crimes would have happened. He was the catalyst and the cause of all the illegal activities that they investigated.

Many will say that it doesn't matter, the DOJ will do what they want to do anyway. That may well be true, but to have the imprimatur of the US Congress behind your decision is a strong positive. And it would be the will of the majority of the US Congress.

It is time for the Congress and the DOJ to do what they have been hired and elected to do. The lies must cease. The time for game-playing and delaying justice is over. There must be accountability.

Red House

Trump is a one-trick pony.

He hasn't done anything illegal, and if he did, someone else did something much worse.

Everything is a "witch hunt" and he is always the "victim".

Anybody that says anything bad about him is obviously a "Radical Left Democrat".

Republicans have no backbone if they do not stand up and defend him, whatever the charge.

His actions are always "perfect", whether it is attempting to extort a foreign leader or stealing national secrets from the Archives. He has never done anything wrong.

The person that accuses him is a "bad person".

This has worked for him for the last seven years, and probably long before that.

The threat to our democracy is not over.

In fact, the threat may be stronger now than before the last election?

Trump has once again announced that he is going to run for the presidency. He is more desperate than ever to keep himself out of jail and to fight the numerous court battles now on the horizon. Once again, he is cozying up to the white nationalists and his most violent supporters. If possible, he will attempt to incite them to violence, as he has done before.

On the upside, there is hope that the new Special Counsel will bring charges against the criminal ex-president, but it is not a given. If he is not required to answer for what he has done to our country, the threat to our democracy will become much more pronounced. Elections will not save us from the fascists. Only accountability will protect our demcracy.

"But for" rule...

In regards to the criticisms of Liz Cheney and the work of the J6 Committee, it should be asked would any of the alleged crimes have been committed "but for" the actions and words of Donald Trump?

Was it wrong to put too much focus on Donald Trump?
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but for rule

n. one of several tests to determine if a defendant is responsible for a particular happening. In this test, was there any other cause, or would it have occurred "but for" the defendant's actions? Example: "But for" defendant Drivewild's speeding, the car would not have gone out of control, and therefore the defendant is responsible. This is shorthand for whether the action was the "proximate cause" of the damage.

https://dictionary.law.com/Default.aspx?selected=113
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