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January 18, 2013
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January 11, 2013
Same old story. A bullied kid finally reaches the breaking point and, feeling he has no recourse, seeks to take revenge upon his attackers.
And how do we as a country respond? We villainize the victim of the original crime and lionize the aggressors.
It doesn't start at the shooting phase, though. It starts a lot sooner. If a kid fights back against bullies with his fists then our "zero tolerance" policies guarantee that the victim will be the one who pays worse than the bullies who seek to destroy his life. Stand up for yourself with administrators and you're just making yourself a bigger target for the bullies. You dig yourself deeper into the lower castes of the school, which makes you an even more attractive target for abuse.
Pretty soon, a kid feels he has no way out. I touched on this when I wrote A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Columbine, as expressed by my narrator, Jake:
And what compounds this problem is the way we as a culture react when a victim finally fights back. Again, from my narrator:
If we started portraying these "victims" of shootings like the monsters they were, instead of pretending that they were harmless little lambs, then maybe some other bullies might start getting the message. Maybe administrators would start taking bullying seriously. Maybe we'd start attacking the problem with school violence at its root.
Zero tolerance for bullies, not for those that fight back. Expel the bullies. Protect the victims. Don't tolerate the Social Darwinism that goes on in the hallways.
Until you treat the disease, the symptoms will keep recurring. And far too many people are blind to what the real disease is.
Why we keep having school shootings
Another week, another school shooting. And once again it's the same refrain that we're all too tone deaf to hear.
According to Daniel Politi in Slate:
Officials in the small Kern County community, around 120 miles northwest of Los Angeles, are investigating reports that the boy had a hit list of students he felt had bullied him that he had compiled last year, reports the Bakersfield Californian. “He had intended targets. There's no question,” Kern County Sheriff Donny Youngblood said.
Same old story. A bullied kid finally reaches the breaking point and, feeling he has no recourse, seeks to take revenge upon his attackers.
And how do we as a country respond? We villainize the victim of the original crime and lionize the aggressors.
It doesn't start at the shooting phase, though. It starts a lot sooner. If a kid fights back against bullies with his fists then our "zero tolerance" policies guarantee that the victim will be the one who pays worse than the bullies who seek to destroy his life. Stand up for yourself with administrators and you're just making yourself a bigger target for the bullies. You dig yourself deeper into the lower castes of the school, which makes you an even more attractive target for abuse.
Pretty soon, a kid feels he has no way out. I touched on this when I wrote A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to Columbine, as expressed by my narrator, Jake:
Let me get one thing clear: if you have never thought about shooting up your school, you have never been a teenager, and anyone who says they don’t know what would drive a kid to doing it is either incredibly dense or a horrible liar.
The teenage years are incredibly hard on kids, with pressure from within and pressure from outside, and when you add in the fact that the modern high school is the best science project anyone could have ever dreamed up to study social cannibalism, no one should really be surprised when kids’ minds burst like firecrackers tossed into a barbecue pit. Honestly, I consider the simple fact that more kids don’t take up arms against the seas of troubles that threaten to drown them a testament to self-restraint.
When you’re a kid, everything is the most important thing that has ever happened, and every insult is the straw that broke the camel’s back. Sure, you can get over it pretty quickly if you try, but in those minutes right after the incident, it can truly seem like your world is ending unless you do something drastic.
Now, imagine that these last straws are being dumped on your already loaded down with a book bag back, one each second, every second of every day. Social stratification pushing down upon your helpless body with tons of pressure. Pressure to conform, to belong, and to behave just like everybody else. Then factor in the incessant push to excel from the parental units, which they make sure is scratching away at you constantly like a rabid hamster stuffed under your baseball cap, and tell me you wouldn’t feel the need to go batshit from time to time.
It’s supposed to be the same for the jocks and the cheerleaders, and the other “popular” types, but unless you’re one of them, you’ll never understand how the hell it can be. When someone is dumping a truck full of manure on top of you, you don’t stop to contemplate whether he’s worried about how he’s going to make the mortgage payment next month, you concentrate on trying to get him to stop smothering you in shit.
The teenage years are incredibly hard on kids, with pressure from within and pressure from outside, and when you add in the fact that the modern high school is the best science project anyone could have ever dreamed up to study social cannibalism, no one should really be surprised when kids’ minds burst like firecrackers tossed into a barbecue pit. Honestly, I consider the simple fact that more kids don’t take up arms against the seas of troubles that threaten to drown them a testament to self-restraint.
When you’re a kid, everything is the most important thing that has ever happened, and every insult is the straw that broke the camel’s back. Sure, you can get over it pretty quickly if you try, but in those minutes right after the incident, it can truly seem like your world is ending unless you do something drastic.
Now, imagine that these last straws are being dumped on your already loaded down with a book bag back, one each second, every second of every day. Social stratification pushing down upon your helpless body with tons of pressure. Pressure to conform, to belong, and to behave just like everybody else. Then factor in the incessant push to excel from the parental units, which they make sure is scratching away at you constantly like a rabid hamster stuffed under your baseball cap, and tell me you wouldn’t feel the need to go batshit from time to time.
It’s supposed to be the same for the jocks and the cheerleaders, and the other “popular” types, but unless you’re one of them, you’ll never understand how the hell it can be. When someone is dumping a truck full of manure on top of you, you don’t stop to contemplate whether he’s worried about how he’s going to make the mortgage payment next month, you concentrate on trying to get him to stop smothering you in shit.
And what compounds this problem is the way we as a culture react when a victim finally fights back. Again, from my narrator:
“For the record, guys, I’m with Mick part of the way on this. I have no problem seeing the assholes that got away with beating up Topher pay, and pay through the nose. I don’t think I’d mind seeing any and all of the other jocks get it, either. But there’s one important thing that we’re forgetting.” I paused for a second, cleared my throat, and fought the effort by my stomach to push some bile up into my mouth to shut me up. Like Mick and Topher, and probably Whitey, I was mad. Really mad, and I had to force the logical side of my brain to take control. “And that’s one simple fact: if there’s one problem with school shootings, other than the obvious carnage related difficulties, of course, it’s that people never seem to learn the lesson.”
I stopped again, and looked over the three of them. Topher was glaring even worse than he had been during Mick’s screed. Whitey looked intrigued, as if he guessed where I was going. Mick just crossed his arms and defiantly prodded me. “Go on.”
“By all rights, Columbine should have gotten the message across loud and clear to kids across the country: don’t fuck with the wrong people or you will end up dead. It didn’t, though, and neither did the killings that came later, because people love victims. Because a couple of kids who were sick of being kicked around killed their oppressors, they wound up making themselves into the bad guys, and made the bad guys into victims in everyone’s eyes. People were too overcome with grief over the senseless bloodshed to think about what had driven the two shooters to do what they did. And for those jocks, having their blood spilled wound up washing away their sins as far as everyone was concerned. Don’t think about what they were really like, turn them into perfect little angels in everyone’s eyes. And, personally, I am not really in favor of giving the world of jocks any new martyrs.”
I stopped again, and looked over the three of them. Topher was glaring even worse than he had been during Mick’s screed. Whitey looked intrigued, as if he guessed where I was going. Mick just crossed his arms and defiantly prodded me. “Go on.”
“By all rights, Columbine should have gotten the message across loud and clear to kids across the country: don’t fuck with the wrong people or you will end up dead. It didn’t, though, and neither did the killings that came later, because people love victims. Because a couple of kids who were sick of being kicked around killed their oppressors, they wound up making themselves into the bad guys, and made the bad guys into victims in everyone’s eyes. People were too overcome with grief over the senseless bloodshed to think about what had driven the two shooters to do what they did. And for those jocks, having their blood spilled wound up washing away their sins as far as everyone was concerned. Don’t think about what they were really like, turn them into perfect little angels in everyone’s eyes. And, personally, I am not really in favor of giving the world of jocks any new martyrs.”
If we started portraying these "victims" of shootings like the monsters they were, instead of pretending that they were harmless little lambs, then maybe some other bullies might start getting the message. Maybe administrators would start taking bullying seriously. Maybe we'd start attacking the problem with school violence at its root.
Zero tolerance for bullies, not for those that fight back. Expel the bullies. Protect the victims. Don't tolerate the Social Darwinism that goes on in the hallways.
Until you treat the disease, the symptoms will keep recurring. And far too many people are blind to what the real disease is.
January 8, 2013
Nicest review I've gotten in a while.
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The Cavemen have discovered one of my books.
Nicest review I've gotten in a while.
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December 25, 2012
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Wanted to make this my new avatar, thinking it appropriate:
December 24, 2012
The "sexism wars" never ended. A certain bloc on DU is allowed to attack men with impunity. Even legitimate criticism of any woman for any reason is seen as "misogyny" and attacked viciously.
"There is no misandry on DU"
Make jokes about the size of men's genitalia? Fine. Prison rape jokes? Celebrated.
Suggest that one of the biggest misandrists on DU has ulterior motives? Hide.
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The "sexism wars" never ended. A certain bloc on DU is allowed to attack men with impunity. Even legitimate criticism of any woman for any reason is seen as "misogyny" and attacked viciously.
December 17, 2012
Some completely honest and well intended questions.
Gun advocates, I am sincere when I ask you this.
What can we do to stop these killings?
I've been trained to shoot. I believe in the right to keep and bear arms. I believe in the right to self defense. I accept hunting as a source of food and as a sport. There are legitimate uses for guns, and I believe in the Second Amendment.
But dear God, something has to be done.
In one week we've seen three mass shootings - one of which killed over a dozen children - and at least two more thwarted that we know of.
This cannot become the new normal. This is not acceptable.
What are the answers? How can we respond? How do we prevent this sort of thing in the future?
If we can't find solutions to this, then the obvious and distasteful one is likely to be forced upon us.
December 6, 2012
Can we talk about the existence of misandry on DU for a change?
There are a few posters on here who, let's face it, are just anti-men. I'm not talking about anti-misogynist or anti-sexist, I mean they just honestly seem to be anti-men.
We know their names. The ones who take any criticism of any woman ever as misogyny. The ones who feel that men can do nothing right. The ones who assume that any joke must have a deep-seeded hatred of women at its core.
We saw it during the early S.E. Cupp threads. We see it now with the LOLCat massacre. We will see it again.
We've started to address the racist, antisemitic, anti-Islamic, misogynistic, and homophobic veins on this board. Can we now start to address the misandrist tendencies, too?
November 23, 2012
When someone from Fox admits that they hire for looks, not ability, why is there stunned silence? Could the defenders of Feminist Martyr S.E. Cupp have been wrong all this time? Or are we sexists now for pointing out the sexism that she exploited?
Oh? And we're the sexists?
When we say that S.E. Cupp only got her job as a commentator at Fox News because she was an attractive woman, we're the sexist ones?
http://samuel-warde.com/2012/11/fox-news-anchor-we-hire-from-victorias-secret-catalog/
Fox News Anchor: We hire from Victoria’s Secret Catalog
Fox News co-host Brian Kilmeade said on air that Fox hires female hosts by looking at “the Victoria’s Secret catalog” and asking, “Can any of these people talk?”
This is not the first time the co-host of “Fox and Friends” has been the center of controversy surrounding sexist remarks. For instance, back in June his co-host Gretchen Carlson walked off the set when Kilmeade remarked that “women are everywhere. We’re letting them play golf and tennis now.”
Fox News co-host Brian Kilmeade said on air that Fox hires female hosts by looking at “the Victoria’s Secret catalog” and asking, “Can any of these people talk?”
This is not the first time the co-host of “Fox and Friends” has been the center of controversy surrounding sexist remarks. For instance, back in June his co-host Gretchen Carlson walked off the set when Kilmeade remarked that “women are everywhere. We’re letting them play golf and tennis now.”
When someone from Fox admits that they hire for looks, not ability, why is there stunned silence? Could the defenders of Feminist Martyr S.E. Cupp have been wrong all this time? Or are we sexists now for pointing out the sexism that she exploited?
November 16, 2012
I stumbled upon it by accident right after it started last year, and fell in love both with the show and the underlying concept.
So what do the workers do when they find themselves out of work? They pool their redundancy (severance) pay and buy the bakery themselves, operating as a workers' co-op. The show ran for two seasons of three episodes each before being cancelled.
I would love to see the Hostess employees pool together and buy the Hostess brands and facilities during the vulture parent company's liquidation. Of course, in America this is impossible since a worker's co-op would never be able to get that kind of financing.
The whole Hostess debacle made me think of this TV show:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_Boys_(2011_TV_series)I stumbled upon it by accident right after it started last year, and fell in love both with the show and the underlying concept.
The programme follows the workers of Valley Bara bakery which is the economic centre of Trefynydd, a small fictional village in South Wales. Generations of people had earned a living and formed a life at the bakery but this is thrown into jeopordy when recession bites and the bakery workers find themselves unemployed overnight. Writer Helen Raynor describes it as "a blue collar drama", explaining "we wanted to tell the story of a community, with a workplace at the centre of it, who suddenly fall on hard times".[1]
So what do the workers do when they find themselves out of work? They pool their redundancy (severance) pay and buy the bakery themselves, operating as a workers' co-op. The show ran for two seasons of three episodes each before being cancelled.
I would love to see the Hostess employees pool together and buy the Hostess brands and facilities during the vulture parent company's liquidation. Of course, in America this is impossible since a worker's co-op would never be able to get that kind of financing.
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