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upaloopa's JournalISIS was a result of the Iraq war, I think that is agreed to.
Yes Hillary voted for the IWR. I, like most of us, was against the Iraq war. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. I was against the Afghanistan war. I think we should have gone after the terrorists as a police action.
I now think we should go after ISIS as a police action with a world coalition involved.
The problem as I see it is that the western world does not take into account that there are ethic factions who have been fighting each other forever. And we need to see that that fundamentalist religions are a threat to the world no matter what the religion.
Calling for peace and calling for war in the terms that we have been using ever since WWII is not the answer in my mind and is not a valid argument here.
I think we need to build an international anti terrorist police force with specific goals and a specific mission to take out terrorist organizations and to protect innocent lives. This might be put together by the UN.
As to the history of our involvement in the Mid East since the Iraq war, I agree that it has been wrong headed. We can't take a side in a civil or religious war. And we can't make a democratic country out of a country with ethnic factions that would rather hate each other than build a country where they live together in peace and share power.
The West needs to protect itself from terrorism but the Mid East needs to solve it's problems it's own way. We can help in some ways but we can't take the leadership roll I think.
I hope to hear my ideas tonight in the debate.
I don't give a shit if you want to attack Hillary for whatever reason about past history. We need to solve our problems today and living in the past doesn't do that. The past can teach us lessons but we can't hope for a better past.
That's how I see it this morning.
Repeal of Glass-Steagall was indeed a mistake. But it’s not what caused the financial crisis
Paul Krugman
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/16/opinion/democrats-republicans-and-wall-street-tycoons.html?_r=0
Democrats, Republicans and Wall Street Tycoons
Paul Krugman
Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders had an argument about financial regulation during Tuesday’s debate — but it wasn’t about whether to crack down on banks. Instead, it was about whose plan was tougher. The contrast with Republicans like Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio, who have pledged to reverse even the moderate financial reforms enacted in 2010, couldn’t be stronger.
For what it’s worth, Mrs. Clinton had the better case. Mr. Sanders has been focused on restoring Glass-Steagall, the rule that separated deposit-taking banks from riskier wheeling and dealing. And repealing Glass-Steagall was indeed a mistake. But it’s not what caused the financial crisis, which arose instead from “shadow banks” like Lehman Brothers, which don’t take deposits but can nonetheless wreak havoc when they fail. Mrs. Clinton has laid out a plan to rein in shadow banks; so far, Mr. Sanders hasn’t.
How much of has, what Toni Morrison said about Bill Clinton, transfered to Hillary?
Could this be part of Hillary's support in the minority community? Just asking because the 45 years of Hillary bashing must be identified with by other people who get treated poorly everyday.
https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Americans-use-to-call-Bill-Clinton-The-First-Black-President
Now, not being black myself, I'm not the first person you should listen to for the following opinion, but I think many literary critics and scholars of African-American studies would agree that if any author alive today has the authority to speak about the black experience in America, it's Toni Morrison. (Read The Bluest Eye, Beloved, or Song of Solomon to see why.)
Here's what she said in a 1998 article in The New Yorker:
African-American men seemed to understand it right away. Years ago, in the middle of the Whitewater investigation, one heard the first murmurs: white skin notwithstanding, this is our first black President. Blacker than any actual black person who could ever be elected in our children's lifetime. After all, Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald’s-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas. And when virtually all the African-American Clinton appointees began, one by one, to disappear, when the President’s body, his privacy, his unpoliced sexuality became the focus of the persecution, when he was metaphorically seized and body-searched, who could gainsay these black men who knew whereof they spoke? The message was clear: “No matter how smart you are, how hard you work, how much coin you earn for us, we will put you in your place or put you out of the place you have somehow, albeit with our permission, achieved. You will be fired from your job, sent away in disgrace, and—who knows?—maybe sentenced and jailed to boot. In short, unless you do as we say (i.e., assimilate at once), your expletives belong to us.”
In part, "the first black president" reflects the fact that Bill Clinton, although white-skinned, has lived a life similar to that of many black men in America. But it's also largely a name that reflects the fact that he, as a successful white man, is nevertheless facing an environment similar to that faced by successful black men, where there is a systemic environmental tendency to demean their accomplishments and latch onto any of their failures, no matter how small. In the case of black men who rise out of poverty or troubled households, it's the system of employers or the business community or law enforcement, who all always treated black men as somehow being more worthy of suspicion or scrutiny; in the case of Clinton it's the system of Congress and (especially) the press, who both relentlessly dogged him for his perceived personal failings in a way no prior president had been dogged.
In short, it's a racial analogy to a now-famous comment made by Hillary Clinton earlier that year on The Today Show:
The great story here for anybody willing to find it and write about it and explain it is this vast right-wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for President.
OK let's go! It's Veterans day 2015. Less than a year until the General election. Bernie has 25%
to 30% support among Dems. I don't know the amount of Independent or Repub support he has.
You are the campaign manager. Bernie won't take PAC money. He hasn't made inroads to the Minority voter population.
Convince me that I should put my hope in the idea that Bernie will defeat the repubs in Nov 2016.
I don't need to know what his positions are. I want to know how he goes from today to victory against the repubs.
Marginal support in the Dem party
Only a percentage of the money the other side will spend
He has to win the nomination first
How does he win?
Can anyone give me the current amount of the huge corporate donations Hillary has been getting?
This is all the more noble since he is not accepting the huge Corporate donations all the other candidates are receiving.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251791029
If you have Sirius XM there is a discussion
on the TPP with Zepher Teachout (sp?)
Station 127 Progress channel
On now also many other progressives
Do I have this right?
Hillary got paid for speeches she gave at Wall Street investment banks. Her campaign received personal donations from employees of Wall Street firms. Wall Street firms gave money to the Clinton Foundation.
Therefore Hillary can't possibly mean any of the things she has been saying during the campaign. Is that what Bernie folks say? Bernie hasn't said anything like that.
I'll be 70 yrs old in May 2016.
Hillary is little over a year younger than me. Bernie is a little over 4 years older than me.
All three of us grew up in lower middle class families. All three of us were aware of the Cold War in the 50's and 60's. We were aware of the Korean War and the Vietnam war. I was in Vietnam. We were aware of the revolutions in Cuba and Latin America. We were aware of the Civil Rights movement. We were aware of the assassinations of John Kennedy and Dr King and Bobby Kennedy. We were aware of the women's movement and the struggle for gay rights.
Having grown up in the same time and the same country is Bernie Sanders we held much the same views all our lives that Bernie has all his life.
I support Hillary because she stands for the same values as I do and they haven't changed all these years.
The picture painted of Hillary and her supporters on this board is a distortion for what ever reason.
Don't even begin to think that you are more socially aware than we are.
Just for fun give us a time line to put in place
the things that Bernie wants and what are the steps to be taken on that time line.
I am curious as to how Bernie's supporters see this happening.
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