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Hillary Clinton

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Recursion

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Fri Mar 11, 2016, 10:03 AM Mar 2016

I've literally never posted here (as you all can attest) and was accused of being a plant [View all]

But, here's my predictions for Tuesday

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1467539

FL: 246 delegates

FL is southern, but less black and more hispanic than the cotton states that Clinton has been dominating in; the data about Sanders's support among Hispanics is ambiguous to me. Clinton is polling 35 points up (as compared to the 20 she had been polling up in MI). FL voted Obama in 2008 and 2012.

FL is also a closed primary, which is bad for Sanders. I think this is going to be a Clinton blowout like the rest of the deep south has been, along the lines of 68-30.

NC: 121 delegates

NC is southern, 70% white, 20% AA, and in many ways similar to TN, which Clinton carried 2 to 1. Clinton is polling 20 points up. NC voted Obama in 2008 and Romney in 2012.

NC is an open primary, which is good for Sanders. Assuming the MI turnout model problem is universal (and I think it is for open primaries), I think Clinton very narrowly takes this, 50-48 or so, with the delegates as basically a wash.

OH: 159 delegates

OH is rust belt. 82% white, 12% black. In many ways similar to Michigan, which Sanders won by 2 points recently. Clinton is polling 20 points up, like she was at this point in MI. OH voted Obama in 2008 and 2012.

OH is an open primary, and I think it will see a MI-like bump for Sanders, which will put him just over the top, to 50-49.

IL: 182 delegates

IL is also rust belt. 70% white, 15% black. Also has many similarities with Michigan, but now has the central place in the Lakes economy that MI used to have. Clinton is polling ahead by 40 points. Voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012.

Clinton has some personal attachment to IL but no particular political history there like Obama had. Illinois is an open primary, and I think will see the same kind of turnout effect that MI did, but in this case it won't be enough to get him over the top there. I call close Clinton win, just over 50/50.

MO: 84 delegates

MO is either midwestern or Plains or southern depending on whom you ask. 85% white, 11% black. Voted for McCain in 2008 and Romney in 2012. Hasn't been polled (that I can find) in a loooong time.

MO is an open primary, which is again good for Sanders, and demographically and economically it is a better state for him, closer to KS and NE, which he won.

If there's any state where Sanders is poised to make a Michigan-type upset on Tuesday, it's MO. Unfortunately they only have 84 delegates, but I think this could really be a stunner. I predict something like 55-45, Sanders

TLDR:

I predict Clinton wins IL, NC, and FL getting 444 total delegates; Sanders wins MO and OH getting 348 delegates.

My prediction for IL is the one I feel weakest about, and I'm willing to guarantee it's going to be a squeaker no matter what


Curious what this group thinks of this.

Signed, an O'Malley supporter who is taking all kinds of shit.
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Missouri seems to be a black hole of polling, no one knows who is doing what there. I think.... George II Mar 2016 #1
Right? MO is the big unknown Recursion Mar 2016 #2
I'm in Missouri, and I really don't Loki Mar 2016 #3
Polling has been gone since August, right? Recursion Mar 2016 #4
Nothing, but right now 11 of the 13 Super Delegates Loki Mar 2016 #15
Loki, like your son did, I wish more voters would pause and take a closer look at Bernie. kstewart33 Mar 2016 #7
That was his biggest turning point and he was a big Bernie supporter. Loki Mar 2016 #22
My son came to the same conclusion. yardwork Mar 2016 #25
I think your analysis is right on. kstewart33 Mar 2016 #5
MO will be quite interesting (nt) Recursion Mar 2016 #6
Good job and pleased to meet you! pandr32 Mar 2016 #8
I think NC is a hair more liberal than Tennessee CanonRay Mar 2016 #9
NC I think is solid Clinton; IL is to me the big question Recursion Mar 2016 #10
As you know Recusion this is Hillary's Group.. not really interested in anyone in here Cha Mar 2016 #14
'Scuse me for trying to be rational CanonRay Mar 2016 #16
You do have the whole rest of the board. What is it about Hillary's Group for her supporters Cha Mar 2016 #18
Was I hoping for that? (nt) Recursion Mar 2016 #23
I was talking about bringing others in .. BS supporters. I already explained Cha Mar 2016 #27
Got it. I'll leave it at this thread Recursion Mar 2016 #30
I'm not worried.. just setting the boundaries. Anyone would do that. Cha Mar 2016 #31
I vote to let him stay. At least we can talk to him. yardwork Mar 2016 #26
I'm not going to block Recursion.. just wanted to remind him that this is our Group for Cha Mar 2016 #28
That's cool. That's how we roll. yardwork Mar 2016 #37
Well, I hope not. 'this is Hillary's Group for her Supporters. Thank you. Cha Mar 2016 #13
I have a different take on Ohio dcbuckeye Mar 2016 #11
Huh. It's an interesting thought. Recursion Mar 2016 #12
Good point about Kasich. I hope you're right. yardwork Mar 2016 #20
Yeah, Kasich's presence will be really interesting... Recursion Mar 2016 #24
I feel good about FL, NC & IL book_worm Mar 2016 #17
Ohio is a tad more centrist Treant Mar 2016 #39
Welcome to our world, and thank you for the thoughtful analysis. yardwork Mar 2016 #19
Could well be. So much of this polling is weak Recursion Mar 2016 #21
I have no problems with you! BlueMTexpat Mar 2016 #29
Very fair analysis rock Mar 2016 #32
That's a fair point Recursion Mar 2016 #33
I'm sorry you are catching flack from the vocal majority. Lucinda Mar 2016 #34
I'm sticking with 538. eom fleabiscuit Mar 2016 #35
Are the 538 targets campaign generated, or is that 548's analysis? LuvLoogie Mar 2016 #36
538 generates Treant Mar 2016 #40
I think the margins will be wider in NC and MO. Chichiri Mar 2016 #38
Welcome, from another O'Malley supporter. DavidDvorkin Mar 2016 #41
Remember this about ohio dcbuckeye Mar 2016 #42
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