I'm trying Ringo. I'm trying real hard to be the shepherd. [View all]

[cleanhippie]

But nothing short of accepting everything the religionists say will ever be good enough. Ever. And that makes me sad.

A genuine plea to come together by acknowledging where we have common ground while also recognizing the inherent problems that separate us is met with "fine, let's use the term anti-theist" as the alternative to the legitimate concern of applying an overreaching definition of "atheist" or non-believer.

Nothing will ever change because they don't want it to change. That is the only possible answer. They just won't admit it, to us OR to themselves.