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Hold up...

Let's get serious. If you think women will be jailed for miscarriages, you're just overreacting

I mean, it's just ludicrous to think that...

A Man Spent Two Years in Prison for 'Cocaine' That Was Powdered Sugar

Delaware may be the second smallest state in the US, but it's had some big problems with its drug testing lab. A scandal in 2014 revealed that employees at the state's Controlled Substances Lab were stealing drug evidence. The lab was shut down after it was found to be riddled with "systemic failures" including mismanagement, nonexistent security, and bumbling incompetence.

The fallout from that scandal continues as this week Jermaine Dollard, a man convicted in 2012 of supplying cocaine to a Kent County distribution ring, is free and suing the state along with several of its current and former employees. The reason for his lawsuit is that the evidence in his case—alleged to be two kilograms of cocaine—was recently retested (or tested for the first time, as no one is sure it was ever really tested before) and found to be powdered sugar.


Florida Man Awarded $37,500 After Cops Mistake Glazed Doughnut Crumbs For Meth

In December 2015, 64-year-old Daniel Rushing had just dropped off a friend at chemotherapy and was driving home an older woman from his church who worked at the 7-Eleven and would otherwise walk the 2 miles home.

As Rushing drove away from the convenience store, police pulled him over. The officer said he had been driving 42 miles an hour in a 30 zone and had failed to come to a complete stop before entering the roadway. When Rushing handed over his driver's license, Officer Shelby Riggs-Hopkins noticed his concealed-weapons permit. Rushing confirmed he had a pistol, and she asked him to step out of the car for her safety.

But Riggs-Hopkins had noticed some crystals on the floorboard of the car, and when officers used a field testing kit, the white substance tested positive for methamphetamine.

Orlando police sent the evidence it had collected from Rushing's car to the Florida Department of Law Enforcement for further testing — which determined that just as he'd said, the white crystals were not a controlled substance. (Results did not indicate whether the substance was sweet and delicious.)


$2M worth of 'fentanyl' seized turns out to be sugar, lab says

What officials thought was $2M worth of fentanyl seized in a drug bust turned out to be sugar, a drug testing company said.

On July 13, three people were arrested in a drug raid, and deputies in North Carolina seized what they believed to be 13 pounds of fentanyl.

According to CBS affiliate WREG, the New Hanover County Sheriff's Office tested several samples of a powder-like substance that was found with a Scott Company Drug Testing CSI field test kit and determined that the substance was fentanyl.

However, when the state lab tested the powder again, they realized the error. Results from a private company, NMS, proved that the "fentanyl" was actually sugar.


... women who miscarry will ever be accused of murder, be convicted, be jailed, have their lives turned upside down by authorities in a post-Roe world with the best forensic techniques and most unbiased minds. Crazy. It'll never happen.


Great Replacement - But how do they know white people aren't really non-white people in disguise?

(Or how we can '"Oh, you believe the Moon is REAL? LOL" to people who think the moon landing was faked' but for this conspiracy theory)

"Great Replacement" seems to be the latest conspiracy theory making the rounds, but I seem to remember conservatives said a lot of things about...crisis actors, body doubles, lizard people in disguise, using plastic surgery, etc.

Remember that?

*Raises hand*

I do!

Let's go over some of the history, shall we?

Rick Wiles: Hillary Clinton Has A Body Double, Fakes Her Campaign Rallies

Citing videos he viewed on the internet, “Trunews” host Rick Wiles on Friday suggested that Hillary Clinton is faking her campaign stops, claiming that in videos of the events, the images that appear on the attendees’ smartphones are not images of the rallies.

“She’s nowhere to be seen, the flags are not there, you can’t even distinguish what they are looking at, it’s nowhere to be seen on the stage,” he said. “Are they faking her personal appearances?”

Wiles also alleged that Clinton’s campaign sent out a body double to speak to the press outside of her daughter’s apartment after she had fallen ill at a September 11 memorial event: “I personally think it was a double. I don’t think Hillary passed out on the curb and then an hour or two later was walking around smiling and grinning. That just doesn’t happen in normal life.”


Marjorie Taylor Greene in 2019 suggested Ruth Bader Ginsburg was replaced with a body double

Marjorie Taylor Greene said in February 2019 that then-Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg -- who died in September 2020 -- didn't really make a public appearance, implying she was replaced by a body double. Greene is now a member of Congress from Georgia and has been selected by her Republican colleagues to serve on the House Budget Committee and the House Committee on Education and Labor.


Right Wing Bonus Tracks – 9/16/16

Bradlee Dean can’t believe that people are so stupid that they can’t see that Hillary Clinton is obviously using a body double.


Alex Jones Has Been Named In Two More Defamation Suits

Two lawsuits were filed against conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and his Infowars network last night on behalf of the parents of children murdered in the Sandy Hook elementary school shooting in 2012, who Jones claimed were “crisis actors”—a claim he maintains to this day.

The suits filed against Jones last night seek more than $1 million in damages from Jones for proliferating the objectively false claims that the parents of children murdered at Sandy Hook were actors and that no children actually died on the scene of the mass shooting. Sebastian Murdock at HuffPost reported:


Trump’s Team: The Bigoted, Unhinged Conspiracy Theorists Benefiting From Donald Trump’s Campaign

Ahead of the crucial Florida primary, Trump released a statement touting the endorsement he received from Pastor Carl Gallups, and then asked Gallups to deliver the invocation at a campaign rally in Pensacola.

Homosexuality has been a major focus of Gallups’ activism; he has repeatedly warned that same-sex marriage will completely destroy society by bringing about economic turmoil, severe persecution, the “enslavement” of Christians and divine punishment.

Gallups has also latched on to the Sandy Hook truther movement, which claims that the government faked the murder of schoolchildren and educators in Newtown, Connecticut, in order to justify new restrictions on firearms.

He called the massacre a “hoax” and said that grieving parents were actually crisis actors.


Is the QAnon Fantasy Unravelling?

Q’s disappearance (which lasted for nine days until the anonymous figure resurfaced again on Nov. 12) coupled with Trump’s defeat in the presidential elections, led to a range of responses from his followers. Some stood their ground and doubled down on the conspiracies, while others began to question whether they themselves had been fooled. Followers (known as Anons) flooded forums, Telegram chats, and Q-friendly spaces to discuss the events, share their despair, and seek comfort from others.

“We Have (sic) been told time & again Trump wins in the end!! Don’t give up so easily, if you believe don’t give up,” one poster told a QAnon group of several hundred members on Telegram. Another responded that “giving up is NOT an option for me!!”

This is not the first time that QAnon believers have faced disappointment. One of the initial claims of the conspiracy theory was that Hillary Clinton would be arrested and imprisoned in 2017. When that did not happen, QAnon followers recalibrated and decided that Clinton had been placed under house arrest and was wearing an ankle bracelet. Even her appearances in public only emboldened them to raise the stakes and claim that the deep state had replaced her with a clone.

Then in 2018, Q claimed that Republicans would dominate the midterm elections and reclaim the U.S. House of Representatives. This, of course, did not come to pass, and while this likely impacted some of Q’s followers, the movement only continued to grow over the next couple of years.


Right Wing Bonus Tracks: The Blood Drinkers

Stella Immanuel, one of MAGA world’s leading anti-COVID-19 vaccine “experts,” claims that many world leaders are clones inhabited by demons whose “job is to make laws that will cause people to die. And you know why? Because they are blood drinkers.”


Right Wing Bonus Tracks: Rational People Like Us

Bishop Larry Gaiters claims that President Joe Biden, Tom Hanks, and Bill and Hillary Clinton are all dead and have been replaced by clones.


So that immigrant family moving in down the street? Part of that great replacement, right?

... but what about the white family next door, are you sure they're actually white? Are you sure? Conservatives, take a look at your own words before saying you are sure they are.

But don't worry about it. And I'm white. That's what I put down on government forms that demand that information, and I look white. So I MUST be white. Definitely no secret George Soros plastic surgery lab involved in my whiteness, no sir. I'm white. Yes! Yes. Yes... yes.

... yes.

"It will just send it back to the states" - And this is what those states will do

Blaming Workers, Hiding Profits in Primetime Inflation Coverage

A FAIR study looking at six months of coverage across six primetime television news shows and NPR‘s All Things Considered found that segments on inflation put far more emphasis on the contributions of labor shortages and social spending—through driving up the cost of labor—than to the role of corporate profit-taking.

This portrays the economy as a zero sum game between workers and consumers, who appear to be intractably at odds if corporate profits are left out of the equation.

During the same period, the shows proved capable of hearing workers’ demands for higher wages when their coverage framed the issue as a “Great Resignation,” or during the shows’ scant coverage of “Striketober,” when a wave of labor militancy swept through much of the country.

This points to an inconsistency in coverage of the same labor market trends: When the shows were covering inflation, the “tight” labor market was mostly treated with the cool and icy calculation of market logic. But on the comparatively rare occasions when the shows covered the grievances of workers and their demands for dignified work—which are widely popular demands, given that most consumers are in fact workers too—the reports showed a more human side to what would otherwise be numbers on a scorecard, and mentioned the record profits of corporations.


Inner workings of the conservative-leaning Supreme Court laid bare for all to see

Is it with great debates?
By poring over massive books and tomes of law?
By citing previous laws and records?

You'd think, right? But no.

In case you needed any further proof that the modern anti-abortion movement is an outgrowth of many centuries of virulent misogyny and violence against women, Justice Samuel Alito’s leaked opinion draft striking down Roe v. Wade relies heavily on a 17th century English jurist who had two women executed for “witchcraft,” wrote in defense of marital rape, and believed capital punishment should extend to kids as young as 14.

“Two treatises by Sir Matthew Hale,” Alito wrote in his argument to end legal abortion across America, “described abortion of a quick child who died in the womb as a ‘great crime’ and a ‘great misprision.’ See M. Hale, Pleas of the Crown.”


And how did this Sir Matthew Hale decide cases? What evidence did he use to enforce and interpret the law?



Spectral evidence is a form of evidence based on dreams and visions. It was witness testimony that a person’s spirit or specter appeared to the witness in a dream or vision and afflicted them.

In English tradition, spectral evidence was not accepted as evidence in a witchcraft trial, according to an article on the Massachusetts Trial Court Law Libraries blog:

“In the English tradition, although the rules of evidence were vague, legal experts insisted on clear and ‘convincing’ proof of a crime…So-called ‘spectral evidence,’ in which a victim testifies to experiencing an attack by a witch in spirit form, invisible to everyone else, was not accepted as evidence.”

Yet, in 1662, Sir Matthew Hale solidified the legal credibility of spectral evidence in witchcraft cases by allowing it in the Bury St. Edmund case in England, thus setting a precedent to be used at Salem in 1692.


"Falling into a fit" while testifying against a person counted as evidence for the accused's witchcraft in Hale's court.


If this is how the conservative-leaning Supreme Court wants to interpret cases, the SCOTUS might as well decide to get blindfolded and throw darts at boxes containing random legal decisions or decide cases based on the plaintiff and the defendant arm-wrestling each other and who wins.

Those two things would be improvements!

Remembering when "indoctrination of students" was them just not wanting to be shot in school

Before panics about critical race theory, transgender people existing, or pronouns; we witnessed...

While many leaders didn’t acknowledge the students’ demonstrations, some weren’t hesitant to express opposition.

“It appears that these schoolchildren, innocent schoolchildren, are being used as a tool by (this) left-wing group to further their own agenda,” South Carolina Gov. Henry McMaster, a Republican, told public television network ETV.

Stoneman Douglas student David Hogg, who has been one of the highest profile advocates for gun control, tweeted that McMaster shouldn’t doubt students’ sincerity and that he “can’t wait to see what the history textbooks our generation writes will have to say about people like you.”

Maine Gov. Paul LePage, a Republican, said he was “totally against” the walkouts and that any school administrator who participated “will be disciplined to the strongest (degree), with every ounce of the law they will be disciplined,” The Colby Echo, the student-run newspaper of Colby College, reported.


On Saturday night, (Minnesota state Rep. Mary) Franson shared a Facebook post that referred to Hogg as “Supreme Leader.” She then shared a quote, via the conservative site the Daily Wire, from the March for Our Lives speech by Delaney Tarr, a 17-year-old Parkland survivor, who said, “When they give us that inch, that bump stock ban, we will take a mile!” Franson’s commentary above that quote was “And there you have it friends … the anti gunners, the high school students who speak for all, aren’t interested in an ‘inch’. They want the mile. They want your guns. Gone.”

The kicker, though, came about 15 minutes later when she posted a link from the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum website titled, “Shaping the Future: Indoctrinating Youth.” Above, she quoted Hitler talking about indoctrination. Later, as she faced criticism over linking Parkland survivors to Nazi youths, she argued that the indoctrination post was unrelated to her earlier posts and denounced the media for making the connection.

If more proof was needed that insults and conspiracy theories have mainstream power, Donald Trump Jr. liked two tweets attacking Hogg. In one, conservative TV host Graham Ledger linked an article from Gateway Pundit and suggested Hogg, whose father is a former FBI agent, was “running cover” for his father because the FBI “botched” tracking down the shooter. Trump Jr. liked another tweet peddling the same conspiracy with a post from a far-right website about the “Outspoken Trump-Hating School Shooting Survivor” that doubted Hogg was an actual victim and blamed the “Deep State media” for giving him a platform.

Given that the Parkland student-activists are still working to encourage more town hall events and more demonstrations, it seems likely these teenagers will face evermore vile personal and public attacks in the months to come. Although we cannot expect any personal responsibility from internet trolls, Americans should expect better from public officials, who have the power to lend legitimacy to the more disgraceful arguments circling around social media. But in the instances above, the public responded by rejecting the hateful arguments, and proved we have the power to hold these politicians to account.


Never forget this dark and disgusting chapter of American conservatism.

The biggest mistake of the "culture wars" is that conservatives get to pretend they are the defense

That amidst all the scary pronouns, different subcultures popping up, immigrants, sexual orientations, etc. they are the force holding back the tide of all these changes, that they are the ones saying "not so fast."

That it is the Democrats, left, or liberals that is this frightening presence forcing all these changes onto the American people and conservatives are merely responding to all these changes.

But how true is it really?

And is this creating a bias that is giving conservatives an unfair advantage? That they get to benefit from things like status quo bias, system justification, and cognitive inertia.

Here are a couple of points...

What exactly are conservatives defending?

And I mean *what* exactly. When conservatives want to keep the clock from going forward or want to turn it back, what does that mean?

Imagine this discussion instead:
"You painted my house blue, I liked it red!"
"Nuh uh, it was never red!"

The person can then present a photo of the red house and have it turned back red. Conservatives want to turn our country's clocks back to an era that never existed. When they say some previous era, like the 50's or the 80's, they don't mean those eras, they mean how they thought that era existed... they thought we had peace and harmony in the 50's or the 80's, and no we didn't.

Case in point:
Fox News panelist claims we have a crime explosion that we wouldn't have had 30 years ago because of all the morals and values that supposedly existed back then - despite crime being higher 30 years ago. This is the past they are defending, not a real thing, but something that only exists in their minds, in their perceptions.

The things they claim to be responding to aren't all that new

If you believe conservatives when they say they are merely responding to the societal changes forced upon them, you might as well believe...

"You wake up one day and BOOM! People have strange pronouns! BOOM! Suddenly you have Muslim neighbors! BOOM! Kids are getting vaccinated! BOOM! People are turning transgender! BOOM! Abortion on demand! Oh my, NOOO!"

But this isn't true.

Gender-neutral pronouns - Wikipedia page on it from 2002

There were Muslims in the US before it was even founded - So there's no Secret Muslim invasion.

The first vaccine - Before 1800

Here's Christine Jorgensen - She transitioned in... 1952! She was celebrated for it, it was considered an achievement by many in the country. There was no massive other side that demanded to be heard that was saying she was some sort of evil wizard who only did it so she could see women changing in locker rooms.

Critical Race Theory - page on it from 2005

Rank-and-file conservatives aren't being agitated into action as a response against liberal activism, no they aren't, they are goaded into action because conservative elites tell them that liberal or leftwing activism is going on and it is somehow hurting them... when that thing or issue was actually going on for years and they didn't notice it until conservative elites told them to notice it.

Defense doesn't automatically mean 'good'

Go back to the 1950's and 1960's and take the definition of "culture war" with you and if you could talk to the people of that time, what would a "culture war" be? Abortion? No. Gay rights? No. It would be the civil rights struggle.

You couldn't really call MLK and other civil rights activists the defense since they were making a change - The defense would be the segregationists hitting people with fire hoses, it would be the KKK bombing churches.

Go back a hundred years from there, and the "culture war" issue of the day would be slavery. Abolitionists would be the renegades and ruffians, the slavers would be the ones "getting their property stolen"

Not necessarily good to be on the "defense", indeed.


We need to call out conservatives, politicians, media, and others that act like this is the case... they don't necessarily have morality or even reality on their side.

Not the defense, just another side.

If you can't spot the "deep state" or the "swamp" in another country, how can you do it for the US?

Putin and his United Russia party is the deep state, it is the swamp in Russia.

There is no getting around that.

Was the current head of government or other chief national authority elected through free and fair elections? 0/4 (No.)

President Putin’s 2018 reelection campaign benefited from advantages including preferential media treatment, numerous abuses of incumbency, and procedural irregularities during the vote count. His most influential rival, Aleksey Navalny, was disqualified before the campaign began due to a politically motivated criminal conviction, creating what the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) called “a lack of genuine competition.” The funding sources for Putin’s campaign were also notably opaque.

Are the electoral laws and framework fair, and are they implemented impartially by the relevant election management bodies? 0/4 (No.)

Russia’s electoral system is designed to maintain the dominance of United Russia. The authorities make frequent changes to electoral laws and the timing of elections in order to secure advantages for their preferred candidates. Opposition candidates have little chance of success in appealing these decisions, or in securing a level playing field. In 2020, Putin signed a law permitting the use of electronic voting across Russia, raising concerns about the security and secrecy of ballots in the 2021 Duma polls and other future elections. Also that year, the president signed a law allowing a three-day voting period in future elections; critics argued that the expanded timeframe increased officials’ ability to manipulate electoral outcomes.

Is there a realistic opportunity for the opposition to increase its support or gain power through elections? 0/4 (No.)

Russia has never experienced a democratic transfer of power between rival groups. Putin, then the prime minister, initially received the presidency on an acting basis from the retiring Boris Yeltsin at the end of 1999. He served two four-year presidential terms from 2000 to 2008, then remained the de facto paramount leader while working as prime minister until he returned to the presidency in 2012, violating the spirit if not the letter of the constitution’s two-term limit. A 2008 constitutional amendment extended presidential terms to six years, and a 2020 amendment allowed Putin to run for an additional two terms, meaning he could remain in office until 2036.


How can you look at these things and NOT say "I dunno. Sounds pretty deep state-y to me"?

And yet...

The most generic election ballot ever

What color of socks you are going to wear should be a harder choice than this America.
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