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We're not going to change their minds, guys.

Any attempt to change their minds makes them even more devoted and, in some cases, unhinged.

A good friend of mine who supports Bernie just called me delusional.

It's like talking to a brick wall.

I haven't seen this much blind devotion to a candidate since, well, trump.

Seems like we either join in the madness or lose.

What happens if the president-elect dies before being inaugurated?

Sorry for the morbid topic, but I was curious about how our Constitution handles this scenario. Basically the answer depends on whether the Electoral College has met or not:

After The Electoral Votes Have Been Cast

After the general election determines which candidates the members of the Electoral College will pledge their votes to, the Electors meet on December 19 to cast their votes. Then, Congress counts these votes on January 6, which actually determines the winner. Finally, on January 20, the presidential inauguration ceremony takes place.

If the president-elect dies after Congress counts the votes and before the inauguration, the 20th Amendment would take care of things. It states that the vice president-elect would assume the role of president-elect. As for whom (the new president elect) would pick as his/her new veep, both Houses of Congress would have to confirm that after the swearing in ceremony.

Before The Electoral College Has Met

Quite a few states — including Arizona, Arkansas, Georgia, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Missouri, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas, Utah and West Virginia — do not have laws binding their electors, which means that in the event that the president-elect dies, those electors could cast their vote for someone else.

As far as the 29 remaining states (plus Washington, D.C.) are concerned, federal law does not dictate that they must continue to cast their vote for the deceased president-elect. Nor does it say that these 29 states must vote for the vice president-elect in the president-elect’s stead. Technically, these electors could vote for whomever they wanted — and that’s where some serious questions arise.


Rahm Emanuel says last debate was "a bit amateur hour"

on the opportunity he believes Democratic candidates missed at the Nevada #DemDebate: “You’re attacking Bloomberg who’s not even on the ballot.”

“This was... a bit amateur hour.” https://abcn.ws/2RiH3wd


Rahm asked why they didn't ask about Bernie's record on guns, and why they didn't ask what insurance Bernie used to pay for his heart attack care.

Bernie as nominee would allow trump to steal the election with no questions asked

It's not about whether Bernie can actually win or not. I think he can, but the fact that so many people question Bernie's electability is a huge problem because it provides plenty of cover for the GOP and /or Russia to do whatever the hell they want on election day.

They could make Bernie lose all 50 States, and nobody with the ability to investigate would do so. Why? Because we've never attempted to run a self proclaimed socialist before. A massive loss wouldn't elicit cries of election fraud. In fact, the media would immediately blame Democrats for choosing a socialist candidate and everyone would agree.

I just don't get why we would take this type of risk with so much at stake. It's crazy to me!

Quick reminder: Bernie voted against the Magnitsky Act and Russian sanctions

If it's Bernie vs. trump, who will putin support?
The Mueller report concluded that Russia/putin wanted trump and Bernie. When trump won the gop nom and Hillary won the democratic nomination, they put all their energy behind trump. But what happens if it's trump vs Bernie? Isn't it entirely possible that putin will switch his support to Bernie, since trump is so toxic and ineffective? Meanwhile, Bernie has quietly and without any blowback voted in a way that is a lot more supportive of putin/Russia than his colleagues--for example, he's voted against the Magnitsky Act and Russian sanctions:

The Senate overwhelmingly voted Thursday to impose new sanctions on Russia, joining the House in approving the measure by veto-proof margins.

The vote on the bill — which would also add sanctions against North Korea and Iran — was 98-2, with only Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., and Rand Paul, R-Ky., dissenting. The House passed the measure on Tuesday by 419-3. Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/senate-joins-house-overwhelmingly-passing-new-russian-sanctions-n787291

Senate Democrats on Wednesday came up short in a vote to stop the Trump administration from easing sanctions on companies linked to Oleg Deripaska, a Russian billionaire with ties to Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin.

The only one to miss the vote was Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt. He was meeting with women who had accused his 2016 presidential campaign of sexual misconduct, his spokesman, Josh Miller-Lewis, told CNBC. Read more: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/16/senate-democrats-vote-to-block-trump-from-lifting-russia-sanctions-fails.html

Any thoughts? Is this concerning to anyone or are you happy to potentially have putin siding with the democrats next go 'round?

Please don't shoot the messenger.

Warren is the only candidate who will hold trump & his accomplices accountable as President

The other candidates will likely want to move on and turn the page.



On day one of my presidency, I will take aggressive steps to root out the corruption and incompetence of the Trump administration and to hold that administration accountable. I will:

Remove all political appointees. Rooting out the corruption in our government starts with wiping the slate clean on political appointments. Donald Trump gave influential, high-ranking positions to his donors, friends, and political allies. I will ask for the resignations of all political appointees, including U.S. Attorneys, save only those positions necessary to preserve continuity and protect national security during the transition period.


Establish a Justice Department Task Force to investigate corruption during the Trump administration and to hold government officials accountable for illegal activity. Donald Trump has run the most corrupt administration in history. He was impeached for withholding foreign aid in an effort to try to benefit his re-election campaign. He has enriched himself and his business through the power of his office. And there are public reports of potentially illegal corruption in every corner of his administration. If we are to move forward to restore public confidence in government and deter future wrongdoing, we cannot simply sweep this corruption under the rug in a new administration. That’s why I will direct the Justice Department to establish a task force to investigate violations by Trump administration officials of federal bribery laws, insider trading laws, and other anti-corruption and public integrity laws, and give that task force independent authority to pursue any substantiated criminal and civil violations. I have also committed to establishing a task force to investigate accusations of serious violations by immigration officials during the Trump era.


Identify federal contracting arrangements that arose as a result of corruption in the Trump administration - and end them. The corruption in the Trump administration extends beyond those who work for the government directly to those who have won contracts to execute government services. For example, Donald Trump repeatedly pushed the Army Corps of Engineers to award a border wall contract to a particular company; the company won the contract despite not meeting the standards for a bid. My administration will review major contracts executed under the Trump administration to identify conflicts of interest and other forms of corruption and take action to cancel any contracts procured as a result of corrupting influences.


If you don't want Bernie or Bloomberg, it's time to unite. Now.

Who can we unite around?

Bill Maher has been making a weird but potentially effective argument for Bernie

For the past 2 weeks, Bill Maher has been saying that Bernie Sanders is the only Democratic candidate who controls an army / "angry mob" who will take to the streets if trump & the GOP attempt to cheat and/or nullify the elections this fall.

This argument might appeal to people who share Maher's concerns about trump cheating or refusing to leave office.

I'd like to think that all of us would take to the streets if it came to it. At least, I hope so!


The problem with Bloomberg is his lack of experience and

Stop and frisk. I've already had confirmation from 2 millennials that they will not vote for him. We need our entire coalition on board this November.

Starting to realize the NYT was right, Warren and Klobuchar are our best shots

I've come to this conclusion for many reasons, but mainly because the male candidates have either too little experience, too much baggage, or too many questions surrounding their ability to complete 8 years in office.

To save time and drama, we should choose between Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar.

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